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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by rightchea on Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:06 pm

Don't see Miami going hard in the secondary but that was a nice draft.

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Post by HalCHorn on Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:03 pm

Fun game.

Tried it again, just to see how many picks I could accumulate with an emphasis on the 2nd and 3rd rounds.  Turned out this way, with 16 picks:

Round 2 Pick 3 (JAX): Charles Harris, DE/OLB, Missouri (A-)
Round 2 Pick 22: Taylor Moton, OT/OG, Western Michigan (A-)
Round 3 Pick 2 (S.F.): Fabian Moreau, CB/FS, UCLA (A)
Round 3 Pick 33 (COMP): Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia (C+)
Round 3 Pick 39 (N.O.): Marcus Maye, FS, Florida (A+)
Round 3 Pick 41 (PITT): Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (C)
Round 4 Pick 3 (JAX): Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama (B+)
Round 4 Pick 4 (CHI): Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida (A-)
Round 4 Pick 8 (CAR): Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah (B-)
Round 5 Pick 4 (JAX): Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (D+)
Round 5 Pick 22: George Kittle, TE, Iowa (B+)
Round 5 Pick 34 (COMP): Hunter Dimick, DE, Utah (C+)
Round 5 Pick 40 (COMP): Ben Gedeon, ILB, Michigan (B+)
Round 6 Pick 12 (N.O.): Marquel Lee, ILB, Wake Forest (C)
Round 7 Pick 3 (CHI): Jeremy Cutrer, CB, Middle Tennessee (D)
Round 7 Pick 5: Corey Levin, OG, Chattanooga (D-)

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by DolFan 316 on Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:39 pm

The sad part is, all you guys' mock drafts will be far better than the real thing Crying or Very sad

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by HalCHorn on Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:43 pm

DolFan 316 wrote:The sad part is, all you guys' mock drafts will be far better than the real thing Crying or Very sad

Hasn't that always been the case? Smile

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Post by rightchea on Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:34 pm

Well lets see what Gase does since this is his first draft after seeing how the team plays with his own eyes on the field. I not sure I have faith in his decision making but at the same time I will be optimistic.

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by HalCHorn on Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:44 pm

Finally got the Dolphins the highest score in one.  Took six tries. :-) Well, that and a lot of trading down:

our score is: 13814 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 5 (LAR): Zach Cunningham, OLB/ILB, Vanderbilt (A-)
Round 2 Pick 22: Obi Melifonwu, SS, Connecticut (A-)
Round 3 Pick 4 (JAX): Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 12 (N.O.): Marcus Maye, FS, Florida (A-)
Round 3 Pick 25 (HOU): Trey Hendrickson, DE, Florida Atlantic (A)
Round 3 Pick 33 (COMP): Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida (B)
Round 3 Pick 39 (N.O.): Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia (A)
Round 4 Pick 2 (S.F.): ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama (A)
Round 4 Pick 3 (JAX): David Sharpe, OT, Florida (A)
Round 4 Pick 6 (LAC): Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (A)
Round 4 Pick 26 (DAL): Howard Wilson, CB, Houston (B)
Round 4 Pick 27 (G.B.): Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky (B+)
Round 5 Pick 40 (COMP): Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (B+)
Round 6 Pick 27 (DAL): Bryan Cox, DE, Florida (B-)
Round 7 Pick 5: Stevie Tu'ikolovatu, DT, Southern California (C-)

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Post by JMP on Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:47 pm

Shocked Wow, that's an insanely good draft!

Unfortunately, I think the Phins will end up with only 4 or 5 picks by the time Tannenbaum is done trading...

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by Birdmond on Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:59 am

JMP wrote: Shocked Wow, that's an insanely good draft!

Unfortunately, I think the Phins will end up with only 4 or 5 picks by the time Tannenbaum is done trading...

As long as they're in the first 3 rounds I'm okay with that.

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by JMP on Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:43 pm

Birdmond wrote:
JMP wrote: Shocked Wow, that's an insanely good draft!

Unfortunately, I think the Phins will end up with only 4 or 5 picks by the time Tannenbaum is done trading...

As long as they're in the first 3 rounds I'm okay with that.  

I'm not. We need to build the depth on this team and stop relying on garbage players like Michael Thomas and (insert crappy linebacker here). If anything, I'd say we need more draft picks.

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by Birdmond on Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:03 am

JMP wrote:
Birdmond wrote:
JMP wrote: Shocked Wow, that's an insanely good draft!

Unfortunately, I think the Phins will end up with only 4 or 5 picks by the time Tannenbaum is done trading...

As long as they're in the first 3 rounds I'm okay with that.  

I'm not. We need to build the depth on this team and stop relying on garbage players like Michael Thomas and (insert crappy linebacker here). If anything, I'd say we need more draft picks.

I posted the odds of sticking in the NFL after round 4 last year. I can't remember the percentages but they were incredibly low. Give me 4 starters every year any day. So I'd prefer 5 picks in 1-3 over 9 picks throughput the entire draft. Especially this year.

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by mercury22nathan on Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:16 am

Birdmond wrote:So I'd prefer 5 picks in 1-3 over 9 picks throughput the entire draft.

i get the temptation, but unfortunately the fail rate for guys in rounds 1 through 3 is nearly as high. specifically for the Dolphins, you just drafted guys like Jared Odrick, Koa Misi and John Jerry over 5th round pick Reshad Jones. Further, fellow SEC safeties and 3rd round picks Major Wright and Chad Jones (both currently out of the league) would've been selected without a chance at getting Jones.

other names from that same draft that you would not have selected... Geno Atkins (4th), Kam Chancellor (5th), Antonio Brown (6th)...

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by JMP on Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:24 am

The more picks we have, the more likely we can find some quality depth instead of relying on players that shouldn't even be in the NFL. Sure, I'd love to come out with a bunch of starters, but depth is just as important - both for now and the future.

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by rightchea on Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:30 pm

That would be great but for the fact that Tannebaum give away picks like candy I don't see Miami having more than just five or seven

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by JMP on Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:38 pm

rightchea wrote:That would be great but for the fact that Tannebaum give away picks like candy I don't see Miami having more than just five or seven

Yeah, with all the free agents we added this offseason I'm expecting Tannenbaum to trade most of our picks and draft just a few players. That would be a HUGE mistake, but it's how Tannenbaum works.

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by DolFan 316 on Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:56 pm

Birdmond wrote:I posted the odds of sticking in the NFL after round 4 last year.  I can't remember the percentages but they were incredibly low.   Give me 4 starters every year any day.    So I'd prefer 5 picks in 1-3 over 9 picks throughput the entire draft.  Especially this year.  

Your strategy would actually be a good one for Madden '07. Madden '17, not so much.

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by Degarmo on Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:27 pm

Tannenbaum's strategy can actually make sense though, if you realize you suck at drafting.  Might as well give away picks for players than make the picks and have a bag of used tampons.

EDIT: This is not an endorsement of said strategy, but there is logic to it.
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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by JMP on Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:43 pm

Degarmo wrote:Tannenbaum's strategy can actually make sense though, if you realize you suck at drafting.  Might as well give away picks for players than make the picks and have a bag of used tampons.

EDIT:  This is not an endorsement of said strategy, but there is logic to it.

That's true. It's also a good plan for a team that has a stacked roster that just needs one or two players to put it over the top.

It just sucks, because with all the stop-gap veterans that were signed it's going to be difficult for any rookies to get extensive playing time in 2017. I guess they think the Dolphins are "close". I don't share that view, but I guess we'll see...

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by Degarmo on Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:37 pm

Yeah, the best build their teams through the draft.

Seems to me that Tannenbaum would have been a perfect fit with George Allen. Maybe we need to get him a Delorian with a flux capacitor or a wayback machine.
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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by Umix10 on Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:59 am

It may sound stupid but the off-season pickups IMHO gives Miami a lot of options in the draft. BPA is always the best way to go in the draft. But filling these holes with "stopgaps" gives them freedom to go BPA and not for need.

I've mentioned it before, tannebaum scares me because of his penchant for dumb ass trades on draft day. On the surface the moves are great but, great moves in FA and bad drafts lead us to the same mediocre shit that we see now!

This draft is not deep in LB, OG, and S. Signing Allen and McDonald solidifies the FO's feelings about the depth at safety in the draft. If Miami doesn't trade out of the first then Miami will almost certainly take a G or a LB.

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by JMP on Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:47 am

The problem is, when you have all these stopgap vets making good money, it means the young guys sit on the bench and don't get to develop. Then when you do need them to play, they're not ready.

I would also argue that this draft is in fact very deep at guard, safety and LB. In fact, I'd say it's deep everywhere except QB and OT, maybe DT.

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by HalCHorn on Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:08 am

This is a terrific draft for safeties in the middle rounds, and for OG in rounds 2 and 3 IMO. I agree with JMP that QB is one of the few positions that will be difficult to find. Also OT falls off a lot after Robinson IMO.

My latest stab at horse trading with it this morning; will try this game once a week til draft day, and likely trade a lot. Smile

Round 2 Pick 6 (LAC): Charles Harris, DE/OLB, Missouri (A)
Round 2 Pick 8 (CAR): Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida (A)
Round 2 Pick 32 (CAR): Dorian Johnson, OG, Pittsburgh (A)
Round 3 Pick 4 (JAX): Gerald Everett, TE, South Alabama (B+)
Round 3 Pick 33 (COMP): Trey Hendrickson, DE, Florida Atlantic (B-)
Round 3 Pick 34 (CAR): Josh Jones, SS, NC State (A)
Round 3 Pick 43 (NYJ): Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A+)
Round 4 Pick 4 (CHI): Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia (B-)
Round 4 Pick 8 (CAR): Dawuane Smoot, DE/OLB, Illinois (A-)
Round 4 Pick 10 (CHI): Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise State (B-)
Round 4 Pick 23 (OAK): Chad Hansen, WR, California (A+)
Round 5 Pick 8 (CAR): John Johnson, FS, Boston College (A)
Round 5 Pick 20 (TENN): Conor McDermott, OT, UCLA (B+)
Round 6 Pick 29 (PITT): Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State (A)

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by finfanatic on Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:49 am

Well, I have argued for years that trading away a player that you KNOW can play (Wes Welker) for draft picks is absolutely asinine. Since the draft is a big ol'crapshoot for even Bill Belichick. But especially for a team that continues to prove that sometimes even a blind squirrel starves to death before he finds an acorn.

When you are certifiably PUTRID at drafting, evaluating, strategic and tactical moves, at overall team building concepts, the absolute last thing you want to do is get rid of players that have PROVEN the ability to play IMO. Especially when the chance of drafting someone who is better is scant and none... and scant left town last year!

I have long thought the whole APPROACH to the draft for the Phins was abysmal, and nothing I have seen has changed my mind. We were one (un)fortunate bongmask video away from something I am betting was gonna be very very bad last year.

I do not think the approach has changed so I am expecting to be UNIMPRESSED again.

I certainly HOPE I am wrong. The team did make the playoffs, so maybe I am just bitter from years of abject suckitude from the team?

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by JMP on Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:45 pm

finfanatic wrote:Well, I have argued for years that trading away a player that you KNOW can play (Wes Welker) for draft picks is absolutely asinine. Since the draft is a big ol'crapshoot for even Bill Belichick. But especially for a team that continues to prove that sometimes even a blind squirrel starves to death before he finds an acorn.

Welker was a different situation, because the Patriots included a "poison pill" in their offer to him that made it virtually impossible for the Phins to match. Plus, at the time Welker was a decent player - nothing more.

But in general, the idea of trading players isn't black and white - thanks to free agency and the salary cap. The reality is, some players simply "outprice" their usefullness to a team. You can't keep everyone, and to put a solid team together you sometimes have to choose a cheaper salary over proven talent. We're in an era where even a mediocre, injury prone player like Kiko Alonso can get a contract with $18.5 million in guaranteed money...when you start talking about star players, the numbers get astronomical. If you want to keep those players, you need to cut corners at other positions.


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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by rightchea on Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:22 pm

HalCHorn wrote:Ok, I gave it a shot.  Traded down to 28 overall (got 28 and 60 for 22) and then made another trade to get an extra third and an extra fifth:

Round 1 Pick 28 (DAL): Forrest Lamp, OG/OT, Western Kentucky (B+)
Round 2 Pick 22: Trey Hendrickson, DE, Florida Atlantic (B-)
Round 2 Pick 31 (ATL): Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A-)
Round 3 Pick 33 (COMP): Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia (A-)
Round 3 Pick 34 (CAR): Justin Evans, SS, Texas A&M (B)
Round 5 Pick 8 (CAR): Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B-)
Round 5 Pick 22: George Kittle, TE, Iowa (B+)
Round 5 Pick 34 (COMP): Keionta Davis, DE, Chattanooga (C+)
Round 5 Pick 40 (COMP): Deyshawn Bond, C, Cincinnati (D)
Round 7 Pick 5: Javancy Jones, OLB, Jackson State (B+)

that is great as well. Miami doesn't show the skills to have this type of draft.

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Re: Post Combine Mock Draft

Post by HalCHorn on Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:34 pm

Ok, the updated mock. Traded down twice in the second to get two extra third rounders and move into the fourth. If Miami does anything close to this I will be very happy with it:

Round 1 Pick 22: Jabrill Peppers, SS/FS, Michigan (A-)
Round 3 Pick 17 (WASH): Justin Evans, SS, Texas A&M (B)
Round 3 Pick 22 (MINN): Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado (A+)
Round 3 Pick 33 (COMP): Trey Hendrickson, DE, Florida Atlantic (A)
Round 4 Pick 17 (WASH): Carlos Henderson, WR, Louisiana Tech (A+)
Round 5 Pick 22: Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (A-)
Round 5 Pick 34 (COMP): Jermaine Eluemunor, OG, Texas A&M (B)
Round 5 Pick 40 (COMP): Sam Rogers, FB, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 7 Pick 5: Stevie Tu'ikolovatu, DT, Southern California (A-)

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