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Post by JMP Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:24 pm

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-kiko-alonso-20170321-story.html


The Miami Dolphins have signed linebacker Kiko Alonso to a three-year extension, extending the stay of the team’s lone Hispanic player.

According to a league source, Alonso, who initially received a first-round tender worth $3.8 million as a restricted free agent, will receive a $28.8 million contract, which guarantees him $18.5 million over the next two seasons.

Absolutely absurd money for a mediocre player that's always hurt. No

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Post by scotgif Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:58 pm

Wow, just wow.
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Post by Degarmo Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:27 pm

Time to get on the HGH kid.

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Post by rightchea Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:41 pm

This is stupid to me. He not worth it especially since only been fully healthy for two seasons

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Post by mercury22nathan Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:28 am

(Zach) Brown, a Pro Bowl selection, is stuck in a market where, again, linebackers are not getting paid.

unless of course you come to Miami...

...the top four 4-3 linebacker contracts this offseason, the Dolphins did two of them -- with Alonso, who is going to average $7.2 million per season over the life of his deal through the 2020 season, and with Lawrence Timmons who gets $12 million over two years, meaning a $6 million per year average.

Alonso’s deal falls behind only Dont’a Hightower’s four-year, $35.5 million deal with the Patriots that averages $8.875 million per season. Timmons’s deal of $12 million over two years (team can get out after one year), is tied for third highest 4-3 linebacker deal this offseason...

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article140028413.html

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Post by JMP Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:57 pm

I can't understand why the Phins were in such a rush to throw big money at guys like Alonso and Branch. The team is coming off the worst defensive season in franchise history and they're rewarding players that were part of the problem. And Alonso's injury history - how about seeing if he can get through a full season without getting injured?

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Post by mercury22nathan Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:18 am

JMP wrote:The team is coming off the worst defensive season in franchise history and they're rewarding players that were part of the problem.

are you sure you're not writing Mando's columns for him?

My point is the Dolphins spent a lot of money on players that helped the defense allow 380 points last year.

And I get it, much of it is the price of doing business.

But that doesn’t change this central fact: The Dolphins are paying way more this year for mostly the same guys on defense. At least that’s how it looks so far.

And that raises the question ... How does a unit that wasn’t great last year improve if you’re basically keeping the same guys together?

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article140263013.html

and i love he acts like he comes up with these ideas all on his own...

There. Now you know the folks who are going to be “reporting” this two or three weeks from now didn’t exactly arrive early to the story.

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Post by JMP Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:36 am

LOL I guess Armando found the Dolfan Cave! cheers

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Post by white1 Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:59 pm

Another point he makes in the article is "for those of you hoping for a first round guard, not gonna happen". Who do you think put THAT idea in his head? Did we not have a discussion about Lamp on this very board?

Back to Alonso and the general point made in this article. While true our defense did not perform well, and basically fell apart at the end of the season, we all know the many reasons why, and many of them were addressed.

- We had zero depth at several positions. This lead to the signing of a street free agent when Misi went down (as he has every season for the past several years). There was little in the way of viable options when injuries happened to X Howard, Reshad Jones, Jelani Jenkins, Earl Mitchell.
- Mario Williams was a total bust. Our defensive line was considered a strength but his play resulted in a very different unit than the one envisioned during camp last year. That unit became a liability against the run.
- Kiko Alonso had to play out of position as MLB. Again, a result of poor depth across the board but especially in the LB corps.

As Armando writes, the defense did not play well last year but he does acknowledge key stats where they were very good - and one of the keys to getting off the field: Third down defense. That's a very good thing and something we can build off of, especially if the acquisition of Timmons and kicking Alonso over to WLB helps shore up the running game. Adding Hayes at DE is another step taken to address our poor run stopping performance.

However, I disagree with the over-simplification that "you're rewarding players who contributed to allowing 380 points last season". That's a straw man argument built on the false pretense that a bad defense is composed of nothing but bad players. So, Suh is just garbage? Wake is worthless as a defensive end? Reshad Jones is trash? No. These players are some of the best at their positions across the league, and if released would be greedily snapped up by another team.

Reshad Jones was signed to a long term deal because he's a leader on this team, and he is an excellent performer. Branch was signed because this staff saw first hand the way he plays, the energy he brought during our extended winning streak, and he did not make nearly the market value teams are paying for premium defense ends. A good value signing for a good, solid player. Alonso was signed long term due to his performance while playing out of position, and again he is an excellent locker room presence and emerging leader with ties to the local hispanic community.

Trash these guys all you want. They were not contributing to the problem last season, they were the pieces shuffled into place to try and address them. Plus Jones missed significant time, so it's disingenuous to suggest he couldn't do anything to stop the bleeding - he wasn't on the field!

Now I'm seeing all kinds of praise and longing for Buffalo FA Zach Brown. He's drawn interested from other teams too, including the Raiders. Why isn't he signed yet? Shouldn't that be obvious? Teams don't let top performers go without reason. And by the statistics, Brown has played very well and this has been confirmed through beat writers like Omar who do film study on players. Omar loved him. Then a source tipped him off about "baggage". Well, it must be something significant, because what he heard almost flipped his view 180 degrees. Sure, would love to have the guy AT THE RIGHT PRICE. But a player you don't know, with red flags to character, you better be really careful before committing a lot of money. Especially a deal you are locked into, with a significant portion guaranteed.

In summary, I agree with the philosophy of rewarding your core players with longer term deals. There are no question marks there, you know how they respond to coaching, you are intimate with their strengths and weaknesses, you've seen them respond after wins, after losses, during games where we fell behind quickly and came back. Those things cannot be overstated. Free agents? You know very little other than what can be seen on tape. And another team already decided they weren't worth keeping, which doesn't happen out of random circumstance. Retain your own players in free agency, and build through the draft. This team will not be fixed over night, but last season we saw some promise on what this front office team can accomplish.



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Post by JMP Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:48 pm

One note on the Dolphins third down defense...could it have been statistically good because they were so godawful on first and second down??? It's all relative...

Zach Brown is a solid player - but we no longer need him. We play with 2 LBs on the field well over 70% of the time, so there's no need to pay big money to 3 LBs.

And - IMHO, Alonso and Branch were a big part of the problem with the defense. The coaches obviously disagree, so I guess we'll see who's right. Personally, I think both players are mediocre at best.

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Post by Birdmond Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:35 pm

JMP wrote:One note on the Dolphins third down defense...could it have been statistically good because they were so godawful on first and second down??? It's all relative...

Zach Brown is a solid player - but we no longer need him. We play with 2 LBs on the field well over 70% of the time, so there's no need to pay big money to 3 LBs.

And - IMHO, Alonso and Branch were a big part of the problem with the defense. The coaches obviously disagree, so I guess we'll see who's right. Personally, I think both players are mediocre at best.

3rd down defense is measured by conversion rates and I'm pretty sure number of 3rd down attempts is part of the equation. They were very good at stopping 3rd down attempts and did very well with respect to takeaways. Their weakness should be the easy part to fix.

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Post by finfanatic Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:24 pm

Alonso is okay if he can stay healthy. He has good instincts it seems to me.

Branch....He's just okay IMO. But when you got squat and diddly-poo....Branch looks fairly good against both of them!!! Shocked

And I agree with W1. You REWARD the players that play well for you and fit into your scheme. Not like Grandpa Queasy Joe Philbin, who got rid of players that made him feel "uncomfortable."

I am not ready to quaff a full cup of the "I trust in Gase" kook-aid just yet, but do admit I am tempted.

Another playoff appearance and few holes on the roster filled ably and I may just become as obnoxiously optimistic as Birdmond!!

Well, maybe not that obnoxious, but.... Very Happy
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Post by JMP Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:53 pm

I'd reward players that are good, and I'd dump players that are mediocre. You need some mediocre players to round out the roster, but when their contract is up...see ya!

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