Reuben Foster's stock is dropping
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Reuben Foster's stock is dropping
So, Reuben Foster got sent home from the Combine after getting into an argument with a hospital worker. He also measured much smaller than expected - 6', 229. He also reportedly didn't do well in the couple of interviews he had. He's also recovering from rotator cuff surgery.
Add it all up, and Foster is no longer a lock to go in the top 10. It'll be interesting to see just how far he'll fall. Would the Phins take him if he's there at 22??? He had been one of my favorite players in the draft prior to all this, but right now there seem to be a lot of red flags...
Curious to see what our resident Birdman has to say on this...I know he was high on Foster too...
Add it all up, and Foster is no longer a lock to go in the top 10. It'll be interesting to see just how far he'll fall. Would the Phins take him if he's there at 22??? He had been one of my favorite players in the draft prior to all this, but right now there seem to be a lot of red flags...
Curious to see what our resident Birdman has to say on this...I know he was high on Foster too...
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Is he injured?
If so, he'll be on the roster.
If so, he'll be on the roster.
Degarmo- Posts : 2698
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This kid sounds poisonous to me right now. Totally the reverse of Tunsil, who was the victim of a last-minute attempt to sabotage him with the video and his hacked twitter account.
I wouldn't touch him. I'm hoping OJ Howard or Njoku fall to us, and we pull the trigger. Sounds like both of them are going to be beasts.
I wouldn't touch him. I'm hoping OJ Howard or Njoku fall to us, and we pull the trigger. Sounds like both of them are going to be beasts.
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white1 wrote:This kid sounds poisonous to me right now. Totally the reverse of Tunsil, who was the victim of a last-minute attempt to sabotage him with the video and his hacked twitter account.
I wouldn't touch him. I'm hoping OJ Howard or Njoku fall to us, and we pull the trigger. Sounds like both of them are going to be beasts.
I tend to agree with you on Foster.
But Tunsil wasn't a victim. He put on a gasmask and smoked pot from a bong - and was filmed doing it. He's not a victim - he's a dumbass.
As for Howard and Njoku, I don't think the Phins are using a high pick on a TE after acquiring Thomas. In fact, I'd say there's no chance. I'd also say there's no chance that Howard drops to 22.
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Yeah, Tunsil was a kid, and I don't think he's failed any drug tests, so . . . I remember doing dumb shit as a kid too.
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JMP wrote:I tend to agree with you on Foster.
But Tunsil wasn't a victim. He put on a gasmask and smoked pot from a bong - and was filmed doing it. He's not a victim - he's a dumbass.
HA!!! PREACH IT, JMP!!! TESTIFY!!!
Only in modern America can people commit illegal acts right in front of everybody and be considered "victims".
But on the bright side, Tunsil also was dumb enough to start the process of having Ole Piss nailed to the wall by the NCAA so that's a positive
As for Howard and Njoku, I don't think the Phins are using a high pick on a TE after acquiring Thomas. In fact, I'd say there's no chance. I'd also say there's no chance that Howard drops to 22.
You already know how this story will go. One or both of those guys will be the next star TE, while Thomas becomes a bigger bust than Dolly Parton's. Just how this team rolls.
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Degarmo wrote:Yeah, Tunsil was a kid, and I don't think he's failed any drug tests, so . . . I remember doing dumb shit as a kid too.
He was tested by Ole Miss. You could snort coke every day and not fail a drug test they gave. This is the same school whose coach is now pretending he had no idea they were cheating like crazy even by SEC standards.
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The ONLY way I can excuse this Foster incident is if the hospital worker tried to fondle his balls or something similar to that.
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DolFan 316 wrote:Degarmo wrote:Yeah, Tunsil was a kid, and I don't think he's failed any drug tests, so . . . I remember doing dumb shit as a kid too.
He was tested by Ole Miss. You could snort coke every day and not fail a drug test they gave. This is the same school whose coach is now pretending he had no idea they were cheating like crazy even by SEC standards.
Are you telling me a southern school was cheating in NCAA football?
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DolFan 316 wrote:The ONLY way I can excuse this Foster incident is if the hospital worker tried to fondle his balls or something similar to that.
I have to agree but if that happened I don't think he would get kicked for it.
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Well, realistically we know of two times that Tunsil did drugs: the gas mask incident, and the incident where his teammate (Robert Nkemdiche) was wasted the fuck out of his mind on synthetic pot and jumped out a window (unless you naievely think Tunsil was just there drinking soda and eating pretzels or something...) It's a safe assumption that those weren't the only two times that Tunsil was stoned. Hopefully that stuff is in his past...but who knows?
Anyway...I was a HUGE Foster fan, but now he is working his way onto my "undraftable" list. I may be drinking the Mayock kool-aid, but I am now on the Haason Reddick bandwagon.
Anyway...I was a HUGE Foster fan, but now he is working his way onto my "undraftable" list. I may be drinking the Mayock kool-aid, but I am now on the Haason Reddick bandwagon.
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I kmow we need lots of D but really liking the idea of Forrest Lamp at 22.
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HalCHorn wrote:I kmow we need lots of D but really liking the idea of Forrest Lamp at 22.
Wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Phins pick Lamp. I really don't like taking OL in round one, but he does look like a helluva player.
Everyone seems to think this is a bad draft for OL, but I see a lot of good guard prospects.
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JMP wrote:HalCHorn wrote:I kmow we need lots of D but really liking the idea of Forrest Lamp at 22.
Wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Phins pick Lamp. I really don't like taking OL in round one, but he does look like a helluva player.
Everyone seems to think this is a bad draft for OL, but I see a lot of good guard prospects.
I think a lot of the "analysts" base their perception of the strength of the offensive line in a draft by the number of blind-side anchor tackles (usually LTs) that are in the draft. I too think there are several really good guard prospects. Honestly though, not many people really know their ass from third base when it comes to offensive line play anyway (it's plain to see that when watching the so-called experts).
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Foster's shoulders worry me more than his combine tirade. You want your LB's to be crazy but you gotta have healthy shoulders.
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Birdmond wrote:Foster's shoulders worry me more than his combine tirade. You want your LB's to be crazy but you gotta have healthy shoulders.
Yep, hard to make tackles when your shoulders are shot.
The "tirade" concerns me for one reason: this was the biggest day of Foster's soon-to-be professional career, and he completely blew it by losing his cool. With so much on the line, it's extremely foolish to get yourself kicked out of the Combine. Poor judgment, and a huge red flag for teams that are looking to invest in high character people as well as great athletes.
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Well someone think Miami should go after Foster......
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/miami-dolphins-could-lucky-once-162355344.html
This is interesting option for Miami. IMO, does Gase really want another trouble maker in his ranks
Batian wrote:The Miami Dolphins punctually believed they got the steal of the draft last year when former Ole Miss offensive lineman Laremy Tunsil fell to them following some character concerns due to a video posted on social media the night of the draft. The Dolphins got the last smile, as they got a top-five talent at pick number 13. The end result was Tunsil having a phenomenal rookie season.
Could the same synopsis play out for Miami this year with University of Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster? The player many views as the top-rated linebacker in this draft and an expected top-10 or top-12 pick had an unfortunate occurrence last week at the NFL combine. Getting into a heated altercation with a medical worker, Foster was sent home from the combine, an event which brings up some red flags less than two months before the draft, especially for teams in the top 10.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/miami-dolphins-could-lucky-once-162355344.html
This is interesting option for Miami. IMO, does Gase really want another trouble maker in his ranks
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rightchea wrote:Well someone think Miami should go after Foster......Batian wrote:The Miami Dolphins punctually believed they got the steal of the draft last year when former Ole Miss offensive lineman Laremy Tunsil fell to them following some character concerns due to a video posted on social media the night of the draft. The Dolphins got the last smile, as they got a top-five talent at pick number 13. The end result was Tunsil having a phenomenal rookie season.
Could the same synopsis play out for Miami this year with University of Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster? The player many views as the top-rated linebacker in this draft and an expected top-10 or top-12 pick had an unfortunate occurrence last week at the NFL combine. Getting into a heated altercation with a medical worker, Foster was sent home from the combine, an event which brings up some red flags less than two months before the draft, especially for teams in the top 10.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/miami-dolphins-could-lucky-once-162355344.html
This is interesting option for Miami. IMO, does Gase really want another trouble maker in his ranks
First of all, Tunsil absolutely did not have a "phenomenal" rookie season. I'd say he was solid overall. I think he'll be better at left tackle, his natural position, but he's really not a guard.
Second, as Bird pointed out, the biggest issue with Foster is his health: bad shoulders and a concussion history. He's also smaller than I thought he was...6' and under 230 isn't exactly NFL MLB prototype. Even Zach Thomas was over 240. I think Foster is best suited at WLB in a 4-3 where he doesn't have to take on heavy blocking - which is exactly the same as Alonso. MLB is the biggest need on this defense IMO...I'm not sure we need to stock up on WLBs.
I don't know...I loved Foster at Alabama, but I just think there's too many question marks. I'd rather go DE, MLB or S at 22.
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I'm really hoping a good de is available when our pick comes up
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white1 wrote:I'm really hoping a good de is available when our pick comes up
Yeah, that's probably the best bet depending on how things shake out. DE talent really drops after the first 40 or so picks, but quality LBs, safeties, etc. can be found later..
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Really if your going BPA the pick would have to be a corner or safety. But since Branch is rumored to be a hot commodity Miami may have no choice.
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And now news comes out that Foster failed a drug test at the Combine:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801347/article/alabama-linebacker-reuben-foster-failed-drug-test-at-combine
I was a huge Foster fan in college, but the only stuff we hear about him anymore is negative. Just too many red flags for me to have any faith in him at this point.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801347/article/alabama-linebacker-reuben-foster-failed-drug-test-at-combine
From the moment the pre-draft process started, it was nothing like Reuben Foster imagined.
A much-talked about moment at the Scouting Combine involving a hospital worker, rumors about the progress of his surgically repaired shoulder that won't die, questions about his childhood friends -- it has all gotten to the highly touted Alabama linebacker.
"Hectic, stressful, very stressful," Foster said over the phone to NFL.com, after concluding roughly 20 team visits. "It's like the devil is coming after me."
And now comes the latest.
Last month, Foster was notified that his urine sample obtained in Indianapolis during the combine was reported as dilute. Based on the provisions of the NFL's policy and program for substances of abuse, "this will be treated like a positive test."
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As for why the test came back dilute, Foster explained in detail. He said he was sick before the combine. He was throwing up, had diarrhea, couldn't keep anything down and was cramping. One adviser offered to have a doctor put him on IVs to hydrate, but he didn't want that. He saw a doctor, got some medication and started hydrating himself.
Foster believes it was food poisoning.
"I couldn't eat much, but I had to drink water and Gatorade," said Foster, who began the process as the consensus top linebacker based on his game tape and measurables. "Then a few coaches said something about me being too light. And I'm a coach-pleaser. I don't care what everybody thinks, but I care what coaches think. So I drank and ate as much as I could without throwing up. Then I went in there, drinking and drinking water, trying to flush out my system from whatever was making me sick and trying to keep my weight up and took the test."
The result was the diluted test, Foster says.
And more stress, along with questions about his draft stock. Foster knows this will likely negatively affect where he's selected.
"If it's first round, second round, whoever takes me will get a good football player and an All-Pro," Foster said. "I hope I go on Thursday, but I can't control that."
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Of course, this was far from the only thing he dealt with during the process. The star inside linebacker on Alabama's vaunted defense, Foster had surgery to repair a partially torn rotator cuff after the season. At combine rechecks, doctors found it was on schedule, though there have been media reports that he may need a second surgery (which has frustrated Foster).
"I'm doing everything I'm supposed to do, but no matter what I do, it doesn't come out right," he said.
In Indy, Foster got into a heated altercation with a hospital worker and was sent home prior to completing his medical exam. He later sent a letter to teams apologizing for his dismissal. Foster had been waiting an extended period of time.
"I apologized for that, I've learned from it," Foster said. "That's in the past and it won't happen again." Foster spoke right before addressing his former Bama teammates about the pre-draft process and what it's been like.
Some teams also had questions about the company Foster keeps, though as he says, "I came from a rough environment, I'm my own man. Growing up, those were the people from my neighborhood. At college, my teammates became my family."
I was a huge Foster fan in college, but the only stuff we hear about him anymore is negative. Just too many red flags for me to have any faith in him at this point.
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Personally, I'd still take Barnett over Foster. Even if Foster falls all the way to 22.
I received my Nawrocki 2017 draft guide a few days ago. The grade on Foster is pretty good, but another couple red flags to add to the negative news:
- One scout said he's an impact player, but "beat to sh!t", meaning has suffered through a ton of injuries. Given his size, not surprising. How long you think he lasts playing LB in the NFL?
- Took Foster a long time to start calling the defense in Alabama, even after starting for years. Does not speak well of his football intelligence.
Barnett grades out just as well, has the frame to add more weight to his body, and has an extremely high work ethic. Those are the kind of things that lead to success. I believe he'll play end, but he'll be a good one.
I received my Nawrocki 2017 draft guide a few days ago. The grade on Foster is pretty good, but another couple red flags to add to the negative news:
- One scout said he's an impact player, but "beat to sh!t", meaning has suffered through a ton of injuries. Given his size, not surprising. How long you think he lasts playing LB in the NFL?
- Took Foster a long time to start calling the defense in Alabama, even after starting for years. Does not speak well of his football intelligence.
Barnett grades out just as well, has the frame to add more weight to his body, and has an extremely high work ethic. Those are the kind of things that lead to success. I believe he'll play end, but he'll be a good one.
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Some people are saying Foster may not even go in the first round. Given all the issues surrounding him, that wouldn't be a surprise at all.
I'm not a huge Barnett fan, but I have a feeling he'll be gone before 22. I think there's going to be a big run on DEs long before the Phins pick.
I'm not a huge Barnett fan, but I have a feeling he'll be gone before 22. I think there's going to be a big run on DEs long before the Phins pick.
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DolFan 316 wrote:The ONLY way I can excuse this Foster incident is if the hospital worker tried to fondle his balls or something similar to that.
Not trying to be funny but a lot of people are so called "homophobes" who knows if the hospital worker was gay. Surely if it was a women, we wouldn't be having this conversation at the moment.
Birdmond wrote:Really if your going BPA the pick would have to be a corner or safety. But since Branch is rumored to be a hot commodity Miami may have no choice.
I hope that Miami doesn't fall into the hype
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