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Post by JMP on Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:43 pm

Here’s the Adam Gase formula in Miami: beat bad teams in close games, and get blown out against good teams.  Despite a 3-4-1 record to start the day, the Packers are closer to a good team than a bad team simply because of Aaron Rodgers - so as expected, the Dolphins got blown out today by a score of 31-12.

For the second consecutive game, Adam Gase and Brock Osweiler failed to score a TD on offense.  Let this sink in for a moment: the Dolphins’ offense has not scored a TD in 9 quarters.  I don’t want to hear excuses – because let’s be honest: despite missing 3 offensive linemen, the OL actually didn’t play that bad, and I really didn’t notice a big drop-off between this week’s unit and last week’s.  The biggest problems with this offense right now are Osweiler’s horrendous accuracy, and Gase’s horrendous play-calling.   I’m not going to say anything else about the offense, because there’s not much more to say.  One positive: Frank Gore is a beast.

I’ll start with a positive for the defense: the DEs played pretty good.  Wake and Quinn each had sacks, and I think this was Quinn’s best game of the season.  Unfortunately, their teammates didn’t show up.  The middle of the defense got absolutely shredded, as the Packers gained nearly 200 yards on the ground.  The Miami DTs got pushed around all day, and the LBs were all but invisible.  The safety play was also awful against the run.  The pass defense wasn’t awful – but they look very ordinary when they’re not getting INTs.  Again – not much more to say…there’s just not much positive going on.  I will say this: I’ll be very surprised if DC Matt Burke is still employed after the bye week.

Special teams was up and down.  Jason Sanders had 4 FGs, but put a kickoff out of bounds.  Punter Matt Haack had a couple of good punts, but kicked the ball into the endzone on a short field.  Leonte Carroo recovered a Packers fumble and converted a 4th down on a fake punt, but he failed to contain the edge on a Packers fake punt for a 1st down.

So there you have it: a crappy game by a crappy team.  The Phins are absolutely decimated by injuries, and sustained a couple more today (with Jakeem Grant possibly suffering a potentially-bad leg injury).  But the injuries are no excuse.  The Dolphins get outcoached every week, and the coaches just keep doing the same things over and over with no changes.  An offense that can’t score points and a defense that gives up huge plays in droves…not a winning combination.  5-5 isn’t such a bad record when you look around the league, but it’s clear that this is a really bad team any way you slice it.


Beer of the Day: Once again, a couple of Founders All Day IPAs

Hero of the Day: Kicker Jason Sanders, with Frank Gore getting honorable mention.  

Goat of the Game: Brock Osweiler.  This guy simply cannot hit an open receiver.  He is godawful, and if he sets foot on the field again this season Gase should be fired on the spot.  There’s absolutely no reason to keep playing this scrub.  Contrast Osweilwer’s performance today with that of Buffalo’s Matt Barkley…who has been a Bill for all of 2 weeks yet led his team to 41 points today against a Jets team that gave up 6 points to the Dolphins just last week.


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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by JMP on Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:48 pm

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Very, very somber looking Miami owner Steve Ross gets into the press lift at Lambeau, accompanied by Mike Tannenbaum, Tom Garfinkel and a very unhappy looking Dan Marino. Not a happy bunch.

Is Ross finally starting to see the light??? scratch

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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by JMP on Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:51 pm

Injury news:

Miami Dolphins wide receiver DeVante Parker left the locker room with his left arm in a sling.

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Dolphins coach Adam Gase did not have an immediate update on Jakeem Grant, who also left the game in the third quarter with what appeared to be a serious injury.

Grant left the locker room in a walking boot. He entered the game with an Achilles injury, but a league source said there is hope this injury is not to his Achilles.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/20181111/miami-dolphins-devante-parker-in-arm-sling-among-slew-of-other-injuries

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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by rightchea on Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:04 am

JMP wrote:
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Very, very somber looking Miami owner Steve Ross gets into the press lift at Lambeau, accompanied by Mike Tannenbaum, Tom Garfinkel and a very unhappy looking Dan Marino. Not a happy bunch.

Is Ross finally starting to see the light???   scratch

He is running around with Mike Tannenbaum he still in the dark.

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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by white1 on Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:51 am

He is running around with Mike Tannenbaum he still in the dark.

Exactly. If he's still listening to that fool, there is no hope.


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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by white1 on Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:57 am

As usual, great writeup JMP.

I watched the game as is typical now. I celebrated the big plays, but remained unfazed when we failed to convert in the red zone and kicked FG after FG. Just numb.

The run defense never surprised me. We have struggled all year to stop it and now with our backup players starting all over the field.

It's really hard to make an argument this roster has progressed at all in the 3 years of Gase - Grier - Tannenbaum. I'm sure they will plead that without their starting QB they are lost, but does that really account for the 19 point margin of defeat yesterday? Or the ridiculous loss to New England? Or the failure to hold a lead against Cincy?

I don't think so.

The group escorting Ross is the most worrisome thing IMO. Marino is not a front office exec. Tannenbaum hand-built this mess himself. Garfinkel is a great ops guy, he's not a football mind.

Ross needs the next John Dorsey, whoever that is. I'm sure there are plenty out there. But he needs to clean house. Odds are split on another piece-meal firing, with Burke a likely sacrifice to the alter of mediocrity.

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Post by white1 on Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:50 am

Check out Mando article today, he wrote something in a similar vein to my post.

Blaming "Tanny Injury" for this team is just not accurate. Problems EVERYWHERE.

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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by JMP on Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:12 am

Injuries are part of the game. Without doing an exhaustive search, I know that the Chiefs and Patriots have experienced a ton of injuries this season...and both are leading their respective divisions. And let's not forget - last season the Eagles went on a playoff run and won a Super Bowl with a backup QB and a backup LT.

So - injuries aren't an excuse. It's about how you've built your team, and how you respond to injuries.

I'd also add that the Dolphin defense has been relatively healthy - what's the excuse there?


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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by Umix10 on Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:10 pm

Its time to pull the trigger on all this.....Ross needs to grow up and get rid of all these mother fuckers......everything must go!!!!!!!!

We need a new regime in here, right now!!!!!
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Post by CarsonChris on Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:36 pm

Seems like the “head coaches” that are currently coaching in the NFL that came from Miami also suck. We need to look at Pittsburgh, Rams, Chiefs, and Green Bay to poach a system.

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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by Umix10 on Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:21 pm

At this point Miami needs very specific help.

Offensively, Miami needs to address the deep passing game. Understandably, playmakers are always wanted. But when you look at the profile thus far of the WR group. anybody taller than 5'9 is considered a giant. Imaging how a 6'3" Parker feels. The bottom line is for years defenses could stack the box and still effectively shut down the Dolphins. Again, addressing this specific need instantaneously improves the offense. Which is why I would take Matt Moore over Osweiler right now!!!!! Until we find someone else.

Defensively, we have the worse scheme ever. Wide 9? Lmao.... Miami's version of the Wide 9 is wide open for 9 yards everytime. Burke keeps talking about attacking, attacking, attacking.....unless he's saying that we are all for attacking 9 yards down the field I highly doubt we are anywhere near successful. Miami had a 5'11" 235 Zach Thomas at MLB. He is an outstanding example of a MLB, but he was highly successful because of the Tim Bowens and Daryl Gardner. 2 DT's who were outstanding at HOLDING the point of attack and letting Zach do his thing. Not sure what makes this regime think its better if they reinvent the wheel.

PS please stop trying to poach Bengals coaches!!!!! Please please please please do not under any circumstances bring in any bengals coaches i've had enough of them.
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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by scotgif on Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:24 pm

Umix10 wrote:
PS please stop trying to poach Bengals coaches!!!!! Please please please please do not under any circumstances bring in any bengals coaches i've had enough of them.

Even if Marvin Lewis gets the ax in Cincy? I mean, he's only had, what, 18 years now to build a winner? Just partly joking here. As a HC no, as DC, probably.
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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by Degarmo on Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:46 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Ross takes a major run at Jim Harbaugh this off season, if he hasn't contacted him already.
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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by DolFan 316 on Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:51 am

Degarmo wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Ross takes a major run at Jim Harbaugh this off season, if he hasn't contacted him already.

I see what you did there Razz

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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by Degarmo on Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:14 am

DolFan 316 wrote:
Degarmo wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Ross takes a major run at Jim Harbaugh this off season, if he hasn't contacted him already.

I see what you did there Razz

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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by mercury22nathan on Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:22 am

PFF dropped a lot pf the blame for the bad run defense on Alonzo.

Linebacker Kiko Alonso had a game he’d like to forget, as he was the culprit of a few missed gap assignments and a couple of poor plays in coverage. Alonso was unable to nullify the bad with enough good, as he recorded just two total tackles.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-nfl-week-10-green-bay-packers-31-miami-dolphins-12

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Post by mercury22nathan on Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:25 am

in an article about Dolphins and Hurricane's HCs, Cote of the Herald says to expect both back for another year...

To make clear, sources in the UM athletic department and connected to Dolphins management tell me neither Gase nor Richt is currently in any job jeopardy no matter how the rest of their seasons play out. But the impression I’m given is both men could enter 2019 feeling heat

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/greg-cote/article221530505.html

just what we need to see, another year of Gase. and Cote is ok with this...

But reaching the playoffs his first season earns him latitude. So does the fact his starting quarterback Ryan Tannehill has missed 25 of the last 30 games injured. If I were owner Stephen Ross, my eye for change would be on personnel execs Mike Tannenbaum and Chris Grier more than on Gase right now. If anything, given the spate of injuries, the Fins at 5-5 have mostly exceeded expectations.

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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by JMP on Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:36 am

The problem with the whole "we made the playoffs year one!" argument is that it's nothing more than a paper tiger. The 2016 Miami Dolphins were a bad team that needed lucky breaks and miracle plays to beat other bad teams. Anyone that thinks differently is just plain WRONG.

The way the NFL is structured right now, there are three types of teams:
1. Great teams that will battle for a top 3 seed in their conference.
2. Flawed teams that walk a thin line between "wild card team" and "crap team".
3. Bottom-dwelling crap teams that spend the entire 16-game season with absolutely zero hope of making the playoffs.

Nowadays, the majority of teams fall into category 2. Some weeks these teams will resemble category 1 teams, and other weeks they'll resemble category 3 teams. Their seasons look like roller coasters, up and down, and in the end they win between 6 and 9 (maybe even 10) games and may or may not sneak into a wild card spot...and if they do, they're one and done in the postseason.

Now, some people are content with that...because it means that you're (mathematically) always in the hunt, even when it's clear that you're not very good.

But for me, it's all about winning a championship. 9 wins and a first round exit does not interest me, especially when I know that it's the absolute ceiling for my team.

That's what the Dolphins are: a category 2 team that isn't bad enough to be a bottom-dweller, but isn't good enough to legitimately compete for a championship. Terms like "also ran", "stuck in the middle" and "mediocre" apply here. If that's the type of team Stephen Ross wants, by all means - keep Tannenbaum, Grier and Gase and continue hoping that they can reach their 9-win ceiling and crawl into the playoffs and get eliminated right away.

Here's what you get with Gase, as I said in the first post here: close wins against bad teams, and blowout losses against good teams. If that's your thing, then stick with the status quo. But some of us want and expect a helluva lot more.

All you need to know about Gase is that he's an "offensive genius" that has led one of the NFL's worst offenses for 3 straight years. That is what is known as a "major fail".

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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by JMP on Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:40 am

mercury22nathan wrote:PFF dropped a lot pf the blame for the bad run defense on Alonzo.

Linebacker Kiko Alonso had a game he’d like to forget, as he was the culprit of a few missed gap assignments and a couple of poor plays in coverage. Alonso was unable to nullify the bad with enough good, as he recorded just two total tackles.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-nfl-week-10-green-bay-packers-31-miami-dolphins-12

If you focus on all 3 of our starting LBs on any given play, it's simply mind-boggling how easy it is for the opponent to block them. I've been saying that about Alonso since day one, and Baker and especially McMillan are exactly the same. It's a group of small, weak LBs that just get taken out of every play. Alonso and Baker at least have non-stop motors and they never give up - but when their tackles are constantly being made 5-10 yards downfield, it's clear that they're getting destroyed at the point of attack. Our DTs are bad, but the LBs playing behind them are just about useless.

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Re: Game 10 thoughts: Dolphins at Packers

Post by Degarmo on Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:24 pm

Richt coming back is fine with me, but he's on collapse warning for his team.

Gase, on the other hand, is proven to be mediocre at absolute best, so, he needs to go.
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Post by JMP on Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:39 am

Degarmo wrote:Richt coming back is fine with me, but he's on collapse warning for his team.

Gase, on the other hand, is proven to be mediocre at absolute best, so, he needs to go.

Agree with both comments. Richt, like Gase, needs to bring in someone to call plays on offense. I at least have hope for Richt, because he's won big in the past. Gase is just a fraud who has never done anything unless he has a Hall of Fame QB that runs the offense himself.

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Post by rightchea on Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:38 pm

I not really for an old school coach aka Gruden. miami needs someone who knows the game and not some weird guru

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Post by white1 on Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:47 pm

just what we need to see, another year of Gase. and Cote is ok with this...

But reaching the playoffs his first season earns him latitude. So does the fact his starting quarterback Ryan Tannehill has missed 25 of the last 30 games injured. If I were owner Stephen Ross, my eye for change would be on personnel execs Mike Tannenbaum and Chris Grier more than on Gase right now. If anything, given the spate of injuries, the Fins at 5-5 have mostly exceeded expectations.
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Hmm. Raises an interesting possibility.

Being the fan that I am, and knowing we never get exactly what we want with this team, I would look favorably on just that proposal.

It's essentially the same thing that Cleveland ownership did. They hired Dorsey, who brought his own front office, but retained Jackson on a "prove it" basis. As we know now, he failed to "prove it" and was fired eight games into the season.

So, if we fire Tannenbaum and Grier, and bring in a new VP of Football Operations who in turn brings along his own GM and favored scouts, I would view that as a positive development. Gase gets one year to prove he's the coach going forward? I'm fine with that. We could make a December firing to open the job and get the best choice of candidates the following year. Or, Gase actually fields an effective team and keeps his job.

Far worse things could happen. On a net basis, I would like this outcome.

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Post by rightchea on Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:55 pm

I am fine with that as well but 90% of the time a new VP and a new GM want their own coach to come in and shake th in NHS up. I tired of Tannenbaum not making the right moves during the off season and during.

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Post by JMP on Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:23 pm

white1 wrote:
just what we need to see, another year of Gase. and Cote is ok with this...

But reaching the playoffs his first season earns him latitude. So does the fact his starting quarterback Ryan Tannehill has missed 25 of the last 30 games injured. If I were owner Stephen Ross, my eye for change would be on personnel execs Mike Tannenbaum and Chris Grier more than on Gase right now. If anything, given the spate of injuries, the Fins at 5-5 have mostly exceeded expectations.
madness.

Hmm.  Raises an interesting possibility.

Being the fan that I am, and knowing we never get exactly what we want with this team, I would look favorably on just that proposal.

It's essentially the same thing that Cleveland ownership did.  They hired Dorsey, who brought his own front office, but retained Jackson on a "prove it" basis.  As we know now, he failed to "prove it" and was fired eight games into the season.

So, if we fire Tannenbaum and Grier, and bring in a new VP of Football Operations who in turn brings along his own GM and favored scouts, I would view that as a positive development.  Gase gets one year to prove he's the coach going forward? I'm fine with that.  We could make a December firing to open the job and get the best choice of candidates the following year.  Or, Gase actually fields an effective team and keeps his job.

Far worse things could happen. On a net basis, I would like this outcome.

I think clearing house is the only way to go. Cleveland just showed us the way...they tried keeping the coach and it didn't work - why throw away half a season? Bring in a new football guy and let him hire his own coach. That's the only way it's going to work.

That said, if I had to choose to keep either Tannenbaum/Grier OR Gase, I'd keep Tannenbaum/Grier. It pains me to type the words "keep Tannenbaum/Grier", but right now I think Gase is the bigger problem. He constantly hires his friends as coaches and they fail epically. He constantly brings in "his" players, and they fail epically. He dumps quality talent because he can't get along with anyone that thinks for themselves. He completely ignores two of the three phases of the football team. His playcalling sucks, and he has no idea how to use a running game or a TE. His offense SUCKS, year after year, and offense is the reason he was hired in the first place. His offense has not scored on an opening drive in 20 straight games, and his team starts every game looking completely unprepared. There's more - but that's more than enough. Gase is a fraud, and he's a bad coach. He brings absolutely nothing special to the table, and he has no idea how to fix the problems with this team.

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