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Post by finskev on Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:45 pm

If You would like a Good Laugh or to say WTF were they Thinking. This is for You. Now I question one of these #20 David Overstreet, Cheap Ass owner didn't sign Him than when he comes back from Canada Plays Okay for His 1st season with the Fins and than DIES and You call Him a Bust. Lol

http://media.miamiherald.com/static/media/projects/2015/fins-at-50/draft-busts/index.html

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Re: 50 Biggest Draft Bust in Fin History

Post by JMP on Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:02 pm

Wow, that's a trip down memory lane!

I just took a quick look, but a couple of initial thoughts:
--Michael Egnew, Pat Turner, Ben Kelly, Lorenzo Booker and Derek Hagan should be much higher. All were 3rd round picks, and did absolutely NOTHING for the Phins.
--I can't put Jake Long on the list because he was arguably the best LT in football for a couple of years, even if he didn't last long.
--I'd have to put Sturgis higher than 38. Taking a kicker in the 5th round is generally stupid. Taking a bad kicker in the 5th round is completely asinine.
--Jackie Shipp should be top 10 if not top 5.
--Jonathan Martin has to be top 5. No explanation needed.
--Hard for me to put guys high on the list that got hurt or died...like Bosa and Overstreet. Both could have had good careers IMO.
--John Beck should be #3 on the list.
--Ginn at 11 is just plain wrong. He was fairly productive for the Phins, and single-handedly beat the Jets twice. He certainly belongs in the top 50 because of where he was drafted, but no way should he be way ahead of guys like Shipp, Martin, Egnew, etc.





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Re: 50 Biggest Draft Bust in Fin History

Post by DolFan 316 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:29 pm

I agree, putting Overstreet on there, and so high at that, was unnecessary. Especially since there are any number of players from the past 10 years' worth of drafts alone who could've easily been in that spot.

I know it makes me a bad person, but I let out a Laughing at Pat White's pic. Seriously, THAT was the one chosen??? In my defense, I did think he might have been legitimately dead at the time that play happened.

I actually get putting Long at 50, especially considering what he cost the Fins (Matt Ryan) and the fact that Ryan Clady, taken 11 spots later in that same draft, was arguably the better player. And then there's Long's rookie contract being so absurdly huge that apparently it's what finally caused the NFL to say enough is enough and reduce rookie deals once and for all.

Also glad to see the rotten drafts of most of the 70s be acknowledged, even though most of the busts from that time listed were actually from the good drafts of the decade ('77-79). One name conspicuously absent IMO is Loaird McCreary. He was a TE taken in the second round of the '76 draft, just two years after the Fins spent a second rounder on TE Andre Tillman (who actually could've been on the list as well). McCreary had all of 7 catches in 3 seasons (3 for scores though) before being cut loose and playing just one more season for the Giants (one catch, 7 yards). Ironically, '78 was Tillman's final season with the Fins as well, but at least his career ended via knee injury after a cheap shot by Minnesota DB John Turner in a preseason game in '79.

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Re: 50 Biggest Draft Bust in Fin History

Post by DolFan 316 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:38 pm

JMP wrote:Wow, that's a trip down memory lane!

I just took a quick look, but a couple of initial thoughts:
--Michael Egnew, Pat Turner, Ben Kelly, Lorenzo Booker and Derek Hagan should be much higher.  All were 3rd round picks, and did absolutely NOTHING for the Phins.

I know I've told this story a hundred times (literally) but I'll never forget watching Hagan drop passes left and right at the Senior Bowl practices and thinking to myself, "I feel sorry for whoever drafts THIS bum!" not having any idea it would be the Fins, although I really should have. And the sad part is, he actually managed to hang around the league al the way through last season somehow  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked

--I can't put Jake Long on the list because he was arguably the best LT in football for a couple of years, even if he didn't last long.

Again, he cost this team a franchise QB, couldn't stay healthy (I have my theory as to why) and became the poster boy for how much rookie contracts had gotten out of control. Plus the O-line still sucked even when he was healthy and good. IMO Long was the epitome of the outdated, antiquated way of thinking Parcells brought to the table.

--Hard for me to put guys high on the list that got hurt or died...like Bosa and Overstreet.  Both could have had good careers IMO.

Overstreet I've discussed already. It was already obvious Bosa wouldn't amount to anything and he was so bad I had forgotten all about his injury, to be honest.

--John Beck should be #3 on the list.

Not sure about that  Laughing But yeah, the reasoning behind drafting him was absurd, to say the least. Basically, he was Brandon Weeden before Weeden.

--Ginn at 11 is just plain wrong.  He was fairly productive for the Phins, and single-handedly beat the Jets twice.  He certainly belongs in the top 50 because of where he was drafted, but no way should he be way ahead of guys like Shipp, Martin, Egnew, etc.

Disagree. Ginn was such a monumental misstep that only the one time he literally almost beat the Jets singlehandedly keeps him from the top 10. The Fins basically drafted a return man in the top 10, it doesn't get much worse than that.




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Re: 50 Biggest Draft Bust in Fin History

Post by DolFan 316 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:48 pm

BTW I cannot WAIT until Hal weighs in on this, seriously.

Other memories: being told that "even if Cecil Collins screws up, he was just a 5th rounder, so no big deal". Being told that drafting Fletcher would make the Fins "impossible to pass against" and having posters quote how often nickel corners were on the field to justify their point that hey, Fletcher was basically a starter. Grabbing my head and screaming, "NOOOOOOO!!!" when Jason Allen's name was announced.

(Fortunately, in the period between the '01 and '07 drafts most posters wised up, even if the Fins didn't, and knew right away who the surefire busts would be . You know who you are Cool )

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Re: 50 Biggest Draft Bust in Fin History

Post by HalCHorn on Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:24 pm

I read it last week, entertaining, though a lot of it seemed to place guys too high due to short memories IMO.  

For example, where the hell is "Earthquake" Eddie Blake, a 2nd rounder who actually masturbated during a team meeting once?  He isn't one of the 50 biggest busts in team history and Jake Long is?  Really?

Lorenzo Hampton had a fine season in 1986, but big deal.  Sammie Smith had one fine season also, and a big contribution to a playoff win during it (vs. the Chiefs).  Smith is top 10 and Hampton isn't on this list?  Hampton belongs in the top 25 and Blake almost has to make the top 10 IMO.

Other thoughts:

I am actually OK with Jordan and White at 1-2.  One thing about Ireland, he had more competent picks than the other GM's since JJ, but when he missed, the misses were just staggeringly awful.

Jamar Fletcher should have been joined in the top 10 by Eddie Moore, Wanny's biggest blunder.  I wouldn't put Avery at # 3 because he was 29th overall.  Rick Norton, Kumerow, Grabowski, Milner, Jonathan Martin...all should be ahead of Avery.  Jason Allen too.  Allen belongs in the top 10.  

I think my top 10 would be: Jordan, White, Grabowski, Norton, Martin, Kumerow, Fletcher, Allen, Blake, and Shipp, because he cost us 3 picks, nudging out Green.

Though it isn't all his fault, Ronnie Brown's production should put in him in the top 50.  I'd have him here before Jake Long, actually.

I wouldn't put Overstreet on this list at all.  It isn't your fault when you are killed in an automobile accident.  I'm not sure he would have beaten Nathan out anyway in 1981.

More thoughts to come, but these are the ones that stand out initially.

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Re: 50 Biggest Draft Bust in Fin History

Post by DolFan 316 on Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:06 pm

YESSSS!!! HAL ACTUALLY POSTED ON THIS!!! MY WEEK, MONTH AND ENTIRE SUMMER HAVE NOW OFFICIALLY BEEN MADE!!!  Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy  cheers  cheers  cheers


HalCHorn wrote:I read it last week, entertaining, though a lot of it seemed to place guys too high due to short memories IMO.  

For example, where the hell is "Earthquake" Eddie Blake, a 2nd rounder who actually masturbated during a team meeting once?  He isn't one of the 50 biggest busts in team history and Jake Long is?  Really?

My shame at not even noticing he was missing from the list truly knows no bounds  Embarassed  Embarassed  Embarassed

Lorenzo Hampton had a fine season in 1986, but big deal.  Sammie Smith had one fine season also, and a big contribution to a playoff win during it (vs. the Chiefs).  Smith is top 10 and Hampton isn't on this list?  Hampton belongs in the top 25 and Blake almost has to make the top 10 IMO.

The fumbles, Hal. The fumbles...That one VS the Chiefs was the first time in my life I had ever seen a football team hand it off from the opponent's one yard line and the play result in a TD--for the opponent! That moment seriously still scars me to this day. And I wasn't even in the stadium that day like Killah was Shocked Don't even get me started on the next fumble Smith had Evil or Very Mad

Other thoughts:

I am actually OK with Jordan and White at 1-2.  One thing about Ireland, he had more competent picks than the other GM's since JJ, but when he missed, the misses were just staggeringly awful.

cheers  cheers  cheers You HAVE to put a QB who didn't actually complete a pass in the top five, well ahead of any other. And Jordan being #1 explains itself.

Jamar Fletcher should have been joined in the top 10 by Eddie Moore, Wanny's biggest blunder.  I wouldn't put Avery at # 3 because he was 29th overall.  Rick Norton, Kumerow, Grabowski, Milner, Jonathan Martin...all should be ahead of Avery.  Jason Allen too.  Allen belongs in the top 10.

Okay, I'm cool with that  Cool   

Though it isn't all his fault, Ronnie Brown's production should put in him in the top 50.  I'd have him here before Jake Long, actually.

I remember the epic Ronnie Brown Bust thread. Ah, those were the days...I just forget who actually started it  Neutral

BTW what do you think about the 70s draftees on the list and should there have been more?

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Re: 50 Biggest Draft Bust in Fin History

Post by HalCHorn on Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:47 pm

Thanks for the kind words, Dolfan. Smile

To be fair to Ronnie Brown, I'd probably put him in the lower part of that top 50, and I thought he'd do much better in the NFL than he did. He gave us some production, just not nearly enough for a # 2 overall. Sad

I agree that Sammie was a bust and he cost us a game against Houston that would have put us in the playoffs in 1991, point was that he shouldn't have been so far up that list while Hampton wasn't even on it.

What's sad is that there's easily 20 strong contenders for the top 10 in this category, and the majority actually are from the Bumstedt/Spielman/Saban/Camueller/Ireland eras. Sad

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Re: 50 Biggest Draft Bust in Fin History

Post by scotgif on Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:38 am

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