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Post by JMP on Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:24 am

Remember last season when Philbin gave Dallas Thomas a team award after a game in which Thomas played poorly?  Well, this season Philbin is now trying to tell us that Suh played a good game against Washington!

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2015/09/so-either-suh-played-poorly-or-good-depending-on-who-you-ask.html

Ndamukong Suh, the Miami Dolphins $114 million man, has had time now to study and digest his debut performance for his new team and this is how he thinks he played in that first game:

“Poor," Suh said Wednesday. "I just didn’t do exactly what I wanted to do, but it’s over with. I’m moving forward to Jacksonville."

Dolphins coach Joe Philbin, Suh's boss, has studied the tape of the one-tackle, one-assist performance by Suh. And this is what Philbin said when he addressed how Suh played in his first game for Miami:

“Yeah, he did a good job," Philbin said. "He did a good job. I thought he got off to a good start. I’m sure there is room for improvement. I think there is for our whole defense, certainly. So far, a good start."

Look, I realize that sometimes a coach wants to deflect criticism from his player. I hope that is what Philbin is doing here because, let's face it, Suh most certainly did not do "a good job" in his first Miami outing and doesn't mind admitting as much.

The concern here is if there is a bigger issue at work. The concern is whether the Dolphins head coach might be not holding high highest-paid player to a high standard -- privately, publicly, indeed, at all times.

It is not throwing Suh under the bus to acknowledge what was obvious to everyone. There's nothing wrong with doing that.

It is troubling, however, if the Miami coaching is in any way, shape or form comfortable that clearly substandard performance was in any way "good." Accepting sub-par performances, after all, is no way to climb out of Miami's perpetual 8-8 mediocrity.

Philbin MUST start holding players accountable for their play on the field, and he MUST stop embracing mediocrity.  Suh is a big boy...he can accept criticism, and there's no reason to try to put lipstick on a pig.  Fact is, Suh SUCKED on Sunday.  And that's OK...these things happen.  But let's not look the other way and pretend that everything is great.  Philbin should be fighting for his career here.  Instead, he's just following his status quo and continuing to do the things that put him on the hot seat in the first place.  Shit like this pisses me off!   Evil or Very Mad


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Re: Joe Philbin and accountability

Post by Degarmo on Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:01 pm

I'm just not sure if he really knows.
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Re: Joe Philbin and accountability

Post by JMP on Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:35 pm

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-dolphins-coach-joe-philbin-denies-report-that-ndamukong-suh-was-ignoring-play-calls-20150921-story.html

The latest gem from Philbin, talking about Suh in the Jags' game:

“A lot of times they’ve been running away from him a lot,” Philbin said. “That’s certainly been the case for a couple of weeks. He was actually, I thought, closer to plays this week than last week. He made some improvements in that area.

“They’re going to come. I’m positive of that. There will be more plays to be made.”

Wow, that's great Joe...the guy you made the highest paid defensive player in the history of the NFL was "closer" to making a play this week than last week. Damn, that's just fan-freakin-tastic, isn't it?

How can anyone take this moron seriously???

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Post by rightchea on Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:33 pm

But see the problem with this is how much do the DT really do. They press the line and cause confusing for the RB and sack the QB. SO I am lost

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Post by CarsonChris on Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:46 pm

There is no way to grade the players on this roster due to the poor coaching and game planning of this team. We might have a solid roster but there's no way to tell. Suh is an example of what happens to future hall of fame players when they are paired with poor coaching. It's remarkable that Tannehill was able to throw for 359 yards and 2 touchdowns considering he was harassed on almost 50% of the plays. Devante Parker/ Rishard Matthews. Matthews isn't even named a starter. He was the best in preseason last year and this year. Where do the coaches want to put him? DeVante Parker should see more playing time but with this staff his future is in jeopardy. Suh, hall of fame to hall of shame. Football is a game of chess and our coaches only know checkers. Same field wrong moves!

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Post by JMP on Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:15 pm

The coaching is poor, no question.  But this roster is still loaded with mediocre and bad players.  There's a few starters on this team that wouldn't be starters anywhere else, and there are several depth players that wouldn't be in the NFL at all if they weren't Dolphins.  But, these things happen when you grossly overpay for a defensive tackle.


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Post by CarsonChris on Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:45 pm

This team should be 2-0 in commanding fashion. Philbin needs an eye exam. He keeps saying shit players are good and good players are shit. Jennings looks done. Leave Matthews on the field along with Landry. Then put Parker out there. There's got to be lineman on the FA market that are better than Dallas Thomas.

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Post by Triumph on Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:48 pm

Vanilla Joe should definitely become an accountant.
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Post by finskev on Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:52 pm

I was at this game yesterday along with 25,000 other Dolphin Fans but that is beside the point, Coaching on defense is just terrible, On the game winning fg drive have the corners playing 10 yards off the Wr and they keep on running backward and the Wr stop his route at 15 yards and is wide open, The Db's are just doing what the defense called dictates they do instead of getting in there face and playing man to man. Also I wonder if the Coaches have watch Suh play before or Suh is playing Lazy. He is playing way to High and not using his Leverage and strength to his advantage. Vernon sucks and his only contribution yesterday was his 15 yard penalty and every Player who played in Wake's spot stunk up the Joint and one last note, Walt Aikens must have pictures on Coyle or Philbin to still be on this team. Also it shows how a terrible Qb can look pretty good when he doesn't get touched and can stand there and just throw passes.

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Post by DolFan 316 on Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:53 pm

Triumph wrote:Vanilla Joe should definitely become an accountant.  

Either that or work in PR.

I totally forgot Finskev was going to this game Shocked Embarassed My condolences.

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Post by CarsonChris on Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:08 am

This is what happens when an owner refuses to accept that he made a bad decision in the hiring of a coach. Philbin is a dead man walking.

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Post by JEGnj on Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:31 am

The Jet's coaching staff was run out of Miami and could've done a good job here. Just saying.
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Post by HalCHorn on Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:56 am

CarsonChris wrote:This is what happens when an owner  refuses to accept that he made a bad decision in the hiring of a coach. Philbin is a dead man walking.

Yep. Almost a complete re-run of the Huizenga/Bumstedt neverending farce.

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Post by mercury22nathan on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:53 am

speaking of accountability, some of these comments really make me wonder if this team is truly committed to winning football games...

Pouncey, in fact, has become one of Philbin’s biggest public supporters, telling Jacksonville media this week that “he’s the right fit for this team, a players’ kind of guy. I hope his fate doesn’t depend on whether we win or lose.”

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/09/barry-jackson-buzz-for-sunday-in-the-nfl-nobody-ever-worries-about-backup-offensive-linemen-becoming-malcontents-if-t.html

WHAT?!?!  winning and losing is exactly what should determine whether Philbin keeps his job or not.  winning and losing games is what this whole playing football things is about.  it almost sounds like pot-head Pouncey is already planning on losing.

Stoneburner said. “Jordan [Cameron] probably could have played [in the second half Sunday]; just wasn’t worth it.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article35996733.html

JUST WASN'T WORTH IT?!?!  the game is in the balance with a potential loss to one of the worst teams in football and putting the best TE and one of the QB's security blankets out there wasn't worth it??

[Lazor said] "There is no law that says you have to throw it deep to win."

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/09/lots-of-monday-dolphins-nuggets-exploring-the-surprising-and-not-surprising-shortcomings-exploited-i.html

that tells you all you need to know about the kind of offense the Phins are running.

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Post by JMP on Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:28 am

It's scary reading all these comments from players and coaches. They just don't get it.

Hey Lazor, maybe you can figure out how to score a TD in the 4th quarter with your perfect offense????

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Post by Degarmo on Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:15 pm

You want to know the call that most baffled me on offense? That play Odrick ran past Traffic Cone Fox and sacked Tannehill. Why wasn't that play a three-steps-and-throw play? Tannehill was waiting for his guy to clear on the right, which is why he was nearly killed. No slow developers in your own end zone, asshole.
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Post by rightchea on Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:43 pm

exactly but that call should have been on Tannehill he should have read that better.

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Post by CarsonChris on Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:28 pm

If you read all of Lazors comments the team called more than were tried. Ring routes, lack of protection, breakdowns in reads.

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Post by Degarmo on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:30 pm

rightchea wrote:exactly but that call should have been on Tannehill he should have read that better.

Read what? Odrick beating his man immediately from his blind side? How does one read that? It wasn't a blitz. It was Fox shitting the bed.
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Post by white1 on Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:41 am

So, on Twitter it's clear that many fans are calling for a fresh coaching staff. Omar dismissed the calls, saying something to the effect of "So, just change the coach every four years, problem solved?"

What lunacy. Total straw man argument.

How long SHOULD a coach get to demonstrate success or failure? 8 years? 12? 16? Should Cameron have had another "chance" because he only had one year to install his system?

Four years is exactly what coaches should expect as a grace period to install what they want to run, and shape the roster to their liking. No one is demanding a Superbowl victory. But in Year 4, a team should show significant progress and should be making the playoffs and challenging for the conference championship.

If after 4 years, there is no demonstrable progress, the same problems linger for years, and blue chip players begin aging out with no backfill on the roster, creating even more holes - then yes, its time for a change at head coach.

This is exactly the position I think we will be in at the end of the year. Wake and Grimes are getting perilously close to the end of their careers. We will be challenged to replace either of them. Vernon? Have no idea what has happened to him but his impact has been negligible through week 2. We will be in a spot where it costs us nothing to retool the roster, because we'll have so many holes to fill anyways. Including the ever-failing quest to find two guards that can play at an NFL level.

My answer is this. If we fail in 2015 (meaning we fail to make the playoffs, at the least) - then yes, firing Philbin is the "fix". Giving him yet another offseason to re-tool, fire Coyle, whatever is a worthless exercise.

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Post by mercury22nathan on Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:14 am

i agree. if the Phins do not make the playoffs, then Philbin should be fired. he's had plenty of time to show what he can (and can't) do.

i might even go further. if the Phins back-in to a wild card spot at 9-7 and then get dismissed in their first post-season game, i'd still advocate moving on from Philbin.

so its playoffs and a minimum of 10 wins.

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Post by JMP on Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:35 am

What's interesting is that despite massive roster turnover since Fireland was let go, the better players on the roster were all acquired by him. Tannehill, Wake, Grimes, Pouncey, Miller, Vernon, Jenkins, Jones...all Fireland acquisitions.

This team was supposed to get better after Fireland left, and it clearly hasn't. Philbin/Hickey gave us Landry, who is awesome but grossly miscast in this offense, along with oft-injured and expensive Albert and Cameron, the mega-expensive and so far invisible Suh, and the very inconsistent Ja'wuan James. Other than that, what have they done to improve this roster??? Not enough, that's clear. Hickey's drafts have been very underwhelming and have brought little impact, and free agency has been highlighted by spending truckloads of money and getting far less in return.

This entire regime needs to be gutted if the Phins continue to fail. Even Ross has to be aware of that.

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Post by DolFan 316 on Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:39 am

white1 wrote:So, on Twitter it's clear that many fans are calling for a fresh coaching staff.  Omar dismissed the calls, saying something to the effect of "So, just change the coach every four years, problem solved?"

What lunacy.  Total straw man argument.  

How long SHOULD a coach get to demonstrate success or failure? 8 years? 12? 16? Should Cameron have had another "chance" because he only had one year to install his system?

The sad part is, I remember the local media actually calling for cam to be retained after the 1-15 season because "continuity". They may deny it now, but this was a real thing.

I do get the sense that this loss was the proverbial last straw for even the homers, and now *everybody* has seen the truth and is officially Fed Up. And that's a good thing.

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Post by DolFan 316 on Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:40 am

JMP wrote:This entire regime needs to be gutted if the Phins continue to fail.  Even Ross has to be aware of that.

Unfortunately, merely gutting this regime won't cut it. Past guttings have proven that. It's going to take a complete organizational demo and restructuring, PERIOD. We're talking scouting and medical staffs, ALL front office personnel, etc. And even THAT might not be enough if Ross keeps doing Ross things.

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Post by JMP on Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:07 am

DolFan 316 wrote:
JMP wrote:This entire regime needs to be gutted if the Phins continue to fail.  Even Ross has to be aware of that.

Unfortunately, merely gutting this regime won't cut it. Past guttings have proven that. It's going to take a complete organizational demo and restructuring, PERIOD. We're talking scouting and medical staffs, ALL front office personnel, etc. And even THAT might not be enough if Ross keeps doing Ross things.

Well, yeah, that's exactly it - we can't do a complete overhaul, because Tannenbaum will get at least a couple of years to run the team into the ground...oops, I mean fix the team, himself. But I think until Ross sells the team we're screwed.

BTW - I know I keep coming back to Eric Mangini as the next head coach, but I've noticed mention of him on a couple of sites, and there's some info I forgot. In addition to having a strong relationship with Tannenabum from their time together with the Jets, Mangini also worked with Dawn Aponte with both the Jets and Browns. And I had forgotten about this, but Mangini was also an advisor to Stephen Ross for the Phins, when Mangini was out of coaching. So, I would say that all signs point to Mangini if and when Philbin gets the axe. Of course, that has disaster written all over it...but who knows. Maybe by some miracle Mangini has learned a thing or two since his Browns' debacle. cyclops

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