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Post by DolFan 316 on Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:17 am

We need one of those teams to win for the Fins to move into the top 5. And this season DESERVES a top 5 draft spot, dammit!!!

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Post by white1 on Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:23 am

Yes I want Titans to get top pick also because they already have their qb. We trade up for lynch

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Post by finskev on Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:30 am

Taking Lynch would require the Dolphins to rethink the way they do things from the Past. But tannebaum did trade up for Sanchez while he was with the Jets, So there is Hope.

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Post by CarsonChris on Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:30 am

Do you think Lynch is good or are his receivers and scheme he's in creating the illusion of being good? I've only watched the 7 td first half game. His receivers were ten yards in the open or they had great YAC to get into the end zone.

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Post by JMP on Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:35 am

The Phins aren't taking a QB early, IMO. More likely mid-late rounds, IMO. I do think (or, at least, hope) a veteran will be added to replace Moore.

Lynch seems to have the "it" factor and he looks like a natural leader. But the NFL is a HUGE step up from Memphis, so I just wonder how long it will take him to adjust. The NFL certainly wasn't too big for Flacco out of Delaware, but he was a rare case. Fortunately, if the Phins did take Lynch, he'd have at least a year to sit.

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Post by CarsonChris on Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:51 am

Roethlisberger was small school also.

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Post by white1 on Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:02 pm

Agree with jmp just like long vs Ryan decision we will blow it

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Post by CarsonChris on Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:49 pm

I don't think we have a shot at him regardless

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Post by DolFan 316 on Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:13 pm

CarsonChris wrote:Do you think Lynch is good or are his receivers and scheme he's in creating the illusion of being good? I've only watched the 7 td first half game. His receivers were ten yards in the open or they had great YAC to get into the end zone.

That's actually the worst game for you to watch for Lynch scouting. SMU was flat out tanking to a degree that would make even the Fins ashamed.

JMP wrote:Lynch seems to have the "it" factor and he looks like a natural leader.  But the NFL is a HUGE step up from Memphis, so I just wonder how long it will take him to adjust.  The NFL certainly wasn't too big for Flacco out of Delaware, but he was a rare case.  Fortunately, if the Phins did take Lynch, he'd have at least a year to sit.

I've always felt that if someone's good enough to do the job then nothing else matters, not experience, not where they went to college, not how old they are, nothing. And I am telling you right here and now that Lynch is better than Tannehill RIGHT NOW. And he wouldn't even necessarily have a year to sit, Tannehill is going to get injured sooner than later. I'm hearing he might not actually play VS the Pats.

CarsonChris wrote:Roethlisberger was small school also.

And so was that Tony Romo guy. B-Roth is actually the QB who Lynch reminds me of the most. Similar size and Lynch can move. He's basically a bigger, clutcher version of Tannehill. You guys know me well enough to realize I'm no Memphis homer fanboi. There have only been three players in the last decade out of Memphis who I've been excited about in terms of the NFL and that's DeAngelo, Gostkowski, and now Lynch. I didn't believe all three were NFL ready, I KNEW.

CarsonChris wrote:I don't think we have a shot at him regardless

I'm determined to hold on to this dream until it's no longer possible. Plus, the front orifice has already let slip they're interested in Lynch. They can't take it back now. You might think this team has far too many problems to be drafting a QB with their first pick and you'd be right. But in a way that actually makes it an even better idea. If no single player taken with the 5th or 6th pick or whatever can turn this team around next season then why NOT go ahead and draft that future franchise QB? Who's going to be available at QB in the 2017 draft that's any better? You take the QB now and build the rest of the team around him because that's actually easier than doing it the other way.

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Post by DolFan 316 on Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:18 pm

BTW before Lynch Memphis was at an all-time low in their football history (and trust me, that's a HUGE statement). He'll be leaving a team that made national waves and had their highest ranking ever by far while also setting a record for most wins in a season. So Lynch knows how to turn around a hopeless situation. Or at least be a part of it.

BUT...getting back to the subject I think the Cowboys honestly have a great chance at winning since they still seem to somehow be playing hard, have already made the Skins their only Romo-less victim, and the Skins now have nothing to play for. The Chargers have a chance as well because Denver is all D and no O these days. The Niners have no shot, but we can't expect all three to win Laughing Just one of the three is all we really can ask for, and two of the three would be beyond huge and a sign that most of us are living right Very Happy

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Post by HalCHorn on Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:43 pm

Joe Flacco, Kurt Warner and Steve McNair were also small school guys. Smaller schools than Memphis in all three cases, in fact (Flacco was originally at Pitt, but that QB guru Dave Wannstedt decided Palko was better).

I like Lynch a lot. Goff too. Brandon Doughty as a sleeper.

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Post by JMP on Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:12 pm

DolFan 316 wrote:You take the QB now and build the rest of the team around him because that's actually easier than doing it the other way.

This should be the philosophy of every NFL GM. Especially now with rookie salaries being so much more managable. If there's a potential franchise QB available, you take him...it trumps everything else.

Personally, I'd jump on Lynch if he's there when the Phins pick.

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Post by DolFan 316 on Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:03 pm

Armando seems optimistic Very Happy

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Post by finskev on Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:44 pm

Fins say they Like Lynch and gets our Hopes up and than He drops to us and they trade out and He goes to another team and becomes a Top 10 QB, I don't have Rose colored glasses anymore Mine have been Shit stained because of the crap they pull.

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Post by CarsonChris on Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:36 pm

Lynch will be gone by pick 3

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Post by CarsonChris on Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:37 pm

Gofff is undersized

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Post by DolFan 316 on Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:51 pm

CarsonChris wrote:Lynch will be gone by pick 3

I'm actually hoping he has a horrible bowl game tomorrow that drops his stock. Even as a Memphis fan, this game means nothing to me. Backstabbing betrayer Fuente won't be coaching and neither will the coach they just hired. Beating a 6-6 auburn team with a QB who won't be around next season proves nothing. So yeah.

I'm kinda desperate for the Fins to draft Lynch. Could you tell? Laughing

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Post by Degarmo on Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:24 am

If we get a Top 5 pick, we need to trade down for more picks.
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Post by DolFan 316 on Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:57 am

Degarmo wrote:If we get a Top 5 pick, we need to trade down for more picks.

Sorry but...no. Trading down for more picks is useless when the people making the picks suck a it. The Fins used to trade down as much as any team and still never got this draft thing right. Don't get me wrong, I realize the consequences of trading up as well. Just once in my life I'd like to see the player I want and the Fins should pick be there when their original pick comes around.

But if you see a chance to get a franchise QB you trade up if you have to every time.

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Post by white1 on Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:30 am

Sorry but...no. Trading down for more picks is useless when the people making the picks suck a it. The Fins used to trade down as much as any team and still never got this draft thing right. Don't get me wrong, I realize the consequences of trading up as well. Just once in my life I'd like to see the player I want and the Fins should pick be there when their original pick comes around.

But if you see a chance to get a franchise QB you trade up if you have to every time.

Totally agree with one caveat.

Yes, we will probably have to trade up to get Lynch. I think we will be in a position where that move does not cust us all that much. Especially if the franchise believes Lynch can be a franchise caliber QB. You make that move every time.

There are instances where trading down and getting more picks makes sense. If we had our QB, I would advocate making that move this year. However, as DF stated, our draft record has been terrible. That must change. No amount of maneuvering, free agent signing, roster development and scheming can overcome the problems that will plague a team that cannot draft well.

Parcells said it exactly right, unfortunately he's a great head coach and not a front office executive that can build an organization. The NFL is a talent acquisition business. The best teams draft well and use free agency sparingly, if at all. Cincinnati looks to be a great example. They let their high price guys go regularly, yet have a recent track record of at least reaching the playoffs. It looks to me like what they are doing is working to an extent, it's a matter of time before they break through and start winning playoff games. Some of us here have preached "patience", in that example I think patience is warranted.

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Post by DolFan 316 on Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:38 pm

DolFan 316 wrote:I'm actually hoping he has a horrible bowl game tomorrow that drops his stock. Even as a Memphis fan, this game means nothing to me. Backstabbing betrayer Fuente won't be coaching and neither will the coach they just hired. Beating a 6-6 auburn team with a QB who won't be around next season proves nothing. So yeah.

Looks like another wish of mine came true Twisted Evil Lynch was literally as horrible as he could possibly have been. So bad that he might actually now stay Shocked But let's hope this leaves such a bad taste in scouts' mouths that he falls to the Fins' pick cheers

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Post by scotgif on Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:06 pm

I caught a little of that game and was looking for him to lmoress. The very small sample size was not good. How bout Dak Prescott of Miss. St.? Could he be a prospect to push hennehill?
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Post by Degarmo on Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:33 pm

DolFan 316 wrote:
Degarmo wrote:If we get a Top 5 pick, we need to trade down for more picks.

Sorry but...no. Trading down for more picks is useless when the people making the picks suck a it. The Fins used to trade down as much as any team and still never got this draft thing right. Don't get me wrong, I realize the consequences of trading up as well. Just once in my life I'd like to see the player I want and the Fins should pick be there when their original pick comes around.

But if you see a chance to get a franchise QB you trade up if you have to every time.

We shouldn't be worrying about the pick at all then.
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Post by DolFan 316 on Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:26 am

scotgif wrote:I caught a little of that game and was looking for him to lmoress. The very small sample size was not good. How bout Dak Prescott of Miss. St.? Could he be a prospect to push hennehill?

He sure performed a lot better in his bowl game than Lynch did.

I realize the coach basically stabbed them in the back by all but accepting a new job mid-season, but Memphis flat out embarrassed themselves the last 5 games, with the bowl game being the topper. They literally might as well not have even showed up, it was obvious none of them wanted to be there. If I'm a scout I'm looking into this with Lynch big-time. This team cannot afford to take a QB that high who checks out when the going gets rough. because it'll be rough for at least the next 2 seasons, and that's if Ross finally gets a clue.

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Post by DolFan 316 on Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:37 am

I will say this: IF Lynch isn't available when the Fins pick, then they should probably trade down (but not too far) because then it would make sense.

I still have absolutely no idea how good the QB class will be after this one though.

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