Coaching changes don't matter

The problem with the Dolpins is the lack of talent. The offensive line had three out of five starters at or near the bottom of the league in protection. The linebackers can't fill gaps. The corners can't cover. We have entire groupings of players that suck. This isn't coaching its drafting. Who do we hire as GM. The head of college scouting. The fucktard that brought us these stellar players.

Yep, there's no doubt in my mind that it begins with talent. If we don't start drafting well, the coach won't matter. That said, our coaching staff has been terrible for many years now...that has to change. I think the talent acquisition is more important, but you have to coach 'em up too.

I have to disagree with you on that. If a coach doesn't know who they need to make a team great or if they don't know how to use the players that they have then you team is going to be bad. Do you guys really think that Miami would be 7-9 with Philbin still leading Miami? Hell no, but for the fact that Campbell came in and Miami actually won some games means that Miami not missing that many pieces that we think they are missing. Yes Miami needs the right guys around them but with the right coaching the hole to fill will be much smaller than we see.

I think the bottom line with the Phins is that they need improvement in ALL areas: front office, coaching AND roster.  It's not one thing over another - it's EVERYTHING.

Coaching does matter to some extent. My point is this. The Dolphins are like a toilet bowl. Philbin drowned in the toilet bowl while Dan Cambell treaded water. They were both swirling down. The front office is admitting it's mistake regarding the offensive line. The team has turds on multiple fronts. That's player acquisition and failure to find or upgrade your current players.

We need, linebackers, an offensive line (the entire thing, not just a guard or two), a tight end, cornerbacks, a free safety (CAN THIS TEAM NOT IDENTIFY TALENT AT THE FUCKING FREE SAFETY POSITION?  HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE GONE WITHOUT A LEGITIMATE FREE SAFETY?), a defensive end or two and when they let Miller walk, a running back.

They need half a team of talent.

We're not "close" at all to being good.  We're a long way from it.

Degarmo wrote:We need, linebackers, an offensive line (the entire thing, not just a guard or two), a tight end, cornerbacks, a free safety (CAN THIS TEAM NOT IDENTIFY TALENT AT THE FUCKING FREE SAFETY POSITION?  HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE GONE WITHOUT A LEGITIMATE FREE SAFETY?), a defensive end or two and when they let Miller walk, a running back.

They need half a team of talent.

We're not "close" at all to being good.  We're a long way from it.

Yep - and we need depth as well as starters at all those positions too.  It's a mess.

I think part of it might be that Gase has a reputation of being able to work with strong personalities, while Philbin couldn't and ran away several talented strong personalities (Marshall, Davis, etc).

Degarmo wrote:They need half a team of talent.

Half?! I'd say it's closer to 80%. Everybody except Landry, Jones (see what I did there?) and maybe three other guys needs replacing/upgrading, but realistically no team's roster in today's NFL will be 90% stacked with talent.

Yeah, but I was saying just to be decent/good. I'm not getting good vibes, feelings, feels, whatever word you want to call it, about the next (forever) years and this team's development. If Gase's coaching staff is indicative of how he chooses talent, we're going to have one of the least-talented teams in all NFL history.

I believe what we are seeing is a young coach having the traditional difficulty in hiring an experienced staff. Not only young, the youngest in the league actually.

A few points of optimism (after all that's my role right now):
- We still have Rizzi as special teams coordinator. Now there's an example of continuity being a good thing.
- Vance Joseph is highly respected around the league, and interviewed with a handful of teams last year as defensive coordinator. So while he is not an experienced DC, it sounds to me like he's ready to take that step. This was the most important hire for Gase, and it's not a bad one. Not great (Schwartz would have been great), but not bad.
- Todd Bowles staff was pretty green on the defensive side of the ball, Gase is following that model on offense. Jets defense was 4 overall this season, it worked out well for them

white1 wrote:I believe what we are seeing is a young coach having the traditional difficulty in hiring an experienced staff.  Not only young, the youngest in the league actually.  

A few points of optimism (after all that's my role right now):
- We still have Rizzi as special teams coordinator.  Now there's an example of continuity being a good thing.  
- Vance Joseph is highly respected around the league, and interviewed with a handful of teams last year as defensive coordinator.  So while he is not an experienced DC, it sounds to me like he's ready to take that step.  This was the most important hire for Gase, and it's not a bad one.  Not great (Schwartz would have been great), but not bad.
- Todd Bowles staff was pretty green on the defensive side of the ball, Gase is following that model on offense.  Jets defense was 4 overall this season, it worked out well for them

OK, then I guess I'll be the bad guy!  LOL

- I guess I'm fine with Rizzi staying.  He's a decent coach, but I would've preferred to clean house.
- Joseph had a lot of talented players in Cincinnati.  He doesn't in Miami.  That's a big difference, and now he's also running the entire defense.  Most coaches in this league are "highly respected" by their friends...that means nothing till he proves himself.
- Yes, Bowles had a green staff and it worked out - because that Jets' D is LOADED with great players at every level.  Remember that Philbin had a green defensive coordinator too, but one with a lot more experience than Joseph...and he failed miserably.  (Coyle was an NFL DB coach a lot longer than Joseph, and he was a also a college DC for a lot of years.)

We'll see...