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Post by mercury22nathan on Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:34 am

the Phins supposed plan to fix the defense...

The Dolphins hope --- through free agency and the draft --- to add another defensive end that’s stout against the run (even if they exercise their right to match an offer to Olivier Vernon), at least one starting linebacker (preferably in the middle), a starting safety and starting cornerback.

Miami is open to adding a reasonably priced defensive tackle to supplement Ndamukong Suh, Earl Mitchell and Jordan Phillips, but defensive end is the priority. The Dolphins have told people they are now inclined to keep linebacker Koa Misi because he’s versatile and grades out well against the run.

The Dolphins have been unsuccessful in attempts to convince Cameron Wake to lower his $9.8 million cap number and $8.2 million salary, as part of an extension beyond 2016.

But the Dolphins have not threatened to cut him if he doesn’t accept, and they’ve told people Wake is still in the plans regardless, barring a change of heart. But the Dolphins also have said privately that in a perfect world, they would like to limit Wake’s snaps to keep him fresh and use him as a pass-rush specialist.

Doing that would require the Dolphins to find either two starting-caliber defensive ends --- or one, if they match an offer to Vernon. It’s unclear yet if that’s realistic; Wake could continue playing the majority of the downs if Miami can't find or afford the ideal run-stopping complement to him, which is the preference.

There aren’t a lot of starting-caliber defensive ends in free agency, but as Armando and I both heard independently in recent days, the Dolphins very much like the Rams’ William Hayes (5.5 sacks, two forced fumbles, rated fifth against the run among all defensive ends by Pro Football Focus for 2015).

Among others available: Dallas’ Jeremy Mincey and the Giants’ Jason Pierre Paul. The Chiefs’ Jaye Howard and Mike DeVito are more suited to being tackles in a 4-3.

The Dolphins always could circle back to Derrick Shelby, but they have not attempted to re-sign him to this point. Defensive end could be filled in the first round if Oregon’s DeForest Buckner or Ohio State’s Joey Bosa surprisingly slips to Miami’s eighth overall pick.

The Dolphins want to add two corners, and UF’s Vernon Hargreaves is very much in play for Miami’s pick at No. 8.

Seven of PFF’s top 33 corners are unrestricted free agents: Kansas City’s Sean Smith (12th), St. Louis’ Janoris Jenkins (26th), Cincinnati’s Adam Jones (15th) and Leon Hall (33rd), Green Bay’s Casey Heyward (16th), the Giants’ Prince Amukamara (32nd) and San Diego’s Patrick Robinson (30th).

Jones and Hall have been linked to Miami because they played for new Dolphins defensive coordinator Vance Joseph. The previous Dolphins regime pursued Jones. Heyward and Jenkins are younger and would be more costly.

At middle linebacker, the Dolphins want to find someone better than free agent Kelvin Sheppard. Free agents who would be upgrades include the Colts’ Jerrell Freeman (rated fourth among all linebackers by Pro Football Focus and first against the run), Denver’s Danny Trevathan (rated 10th overall; 12th against run) and Kansas City’s Derrick Johnson (eighth).

And keep an eye on well-regarded Bengals free agent Vincent Rey. He can play inside or outside linebacker, is excellent on special teams and well-respected, and Joseph likes him. He has made a combined 22 starts the past two seasons, with 121 and 98 tackles.

Miami certainly is open to adding a second starting caliber linebacker if it can afford it. But that's a big if. I'm not certain Jelani Jenkins has a longterm future as a starter here. We'll see.

The Dolphins would like to find a new starter at safety to play alongside Reshad Jones, and we expect Miami to have interest in George Iloka, who played for Joseph in Cincinnati and had an 18.4 passer rating against last season. Another Cincinnati free agent safety, Reggie Nelson, is coming off an eight-interception season and would be costly.

Other free agent safeties include St. Louis’ Rodney McLeod (10th), Kansas City’s Hussain Abdullah (20th), Arizona’s Rashad Johnson and San Diego’s Eric Weddle (33rd).

One thing is clear: The Dolphins must clear out more cap space, and draft brilliantly, to fill all their defensive needs....

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2016/03/how-dolphins-hope-to-upgrade-their-defense-boshheat-personnel-update-top-player-who-could-be-eligibl.html

what say you - will it work?

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Post by Birdmond on Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:50 pm

Signing Freeman , Sean Smith, snd Reggie Nelson would make me happy.

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Re: Dolphins plan to fix defense

Post by JMP on Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:58 pm

I can't see the Colts letting Freeman get away, but he would definitely be a nice pickup for the Phins.

At OLB, I really like Vincent Rey...think he's starting to come into his own. He's great in coverage and is an excellent tackler.

I just don't want to dump tons of money into free agents.  I'd rather go with cheaper free agents, and build through the draft.  I don't think there's an overnight solution to this mess of a team, and to me, throwing huge free agent contracts around is not an answer.  Unfortunately, I think Tannenbaum's plan is the exact opposite - I fully expect him to go crazy in free agency again.

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Re: Dolphins plan to fix defense

Post by DolFan 316 on Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:27 pm

Any plan that involves keeping Misi is not a good plan.

I honestly can't see how all the defensive holes will even be addressed (notice I didn't say filled) in just one offseason, even if they completely neglect the gaping hole at guard and soon to be hole at RB. I haven't seen this many crying needs in a D since the '81 Colts--and they went winless the next season. In all honesty if Vernon and Wake walk the Fins would have exactly TWO defenders who I'd be comfortable going into next season with. TWO.

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Post by JMP on Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:37 pm

DolFan 316 wrote:Any plan that involves keeping Misi is not a good plan.

I honestly can't see how all the defensive holes will even be addressed (notice I didn't say filled) in just one offseason, even if they completely neglect the gaping hole at guard and soon to be hole at RB. I haven't seen this many crying needs in a D since the '81 Colts--and they went winless the next season. In all honesty if Vernon and Wake walk the Fins would have exactly TWO defenders who I'd be comfortable going into next season with. TWO.

Agree completely.  And anyone counting on a bunch of highly paid free agents to fill all the holes is just asking for trouble.

As for Misi, I can't understand why the Dolphins love this guy.  I am so far beyond done with him...he may be my least favorite player on defense.  Dumping him would be addition by subtraction.

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Post by finfanatic on Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:49 pm

Misi - He is just OKAY, but compared to the other guys, who are terrible, OKAY looks WONDERFUL!

I agree....I just do not see any way this defense gets FIXED in one season. The Phins would have to get EVERYTHING EXACTLY RIGHT....free agent moves, their own and a few quality (cheap) new free agents, plus hit on three or four STARTERS who make an impact in the draft.

Does anyone want to calculate what the odds of all that happening are?

Let's just say you have a better chance of winning the Powerball lottery!

Yes, the more I look at the Suh signing, the more I see it as a millstone from which Tannenbaum may not be able to recover.

Unless the Dolphins drafting makes a complete 180 turn, I just do not see a bright future for this team.

But then again...People DO win the Powerball, and this is a new season with a new HC, so before I "Abandon All Hope Ye Who Root for the Phins!", I think I will see what transpires in free agency and the draft.

THEN...I will "Abandon all hope....."

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Post by JMP on Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:04 pm

The more I think about it, the more I think a legit MLB would do wonders for this defense.  A tough, instinctual player that knows how to tackle and actually makes plays behind, at and near the line of scrimmage (not 7 yards downfield like Misi...)  That type of MLB really sets the tone for a defense.  That's one of the reasons I really like Reggie Ragland.

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Re: Dolphins plan to fix defense

Post by Birdmond on Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:08 pm

JMP wrote:I can't see the Colts letting Freeman get away, but he would definitely be a nice pickup for the Phins.

At OLB, I really like Vincent Rey...think he's starting to come into his own. He's great in coverage and is an excellent tackler.

I just don't want to dump tons of money into free agents.  I'd rather go with cheaper free agents, and build through the draft.  I don't think there's an overnight solution to this mess of a team, and to me, throwing huge free agent contracts around is not an answer.  Unfortunately, I think Tannenbaum's plan is the exact opposite - I fully expect him to go crazy in free agency again.

I don't want to dump any money on free agents either bit Tanneballs is in charge. It's going to happen so enjoy the ride.

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Post by Degarmo on Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:01 pm

MLB and Free Safety have been on my list for a few years now.
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Post by white1 on Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:58 am

Boys all these problems on our roster, it's sounding more and more like a total rebuild.

If that's the case then we do need to let our overpriced free agents go. If we're going to spend money sign a good corner, safety and or a guard

In the draft we need to find the great athletes who love football at premium positions. Do not draft for need.

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Post by Birdmond on Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:35 pm

Big rumor today is Misi is getting a restructured contract. But what I find more interesting is there is talk of him moving back to 4-3 DE which is what he played in college.

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Post by JMP on Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:47 pm

Yep, here's an article about the possible Misi restructure:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/03/report-dolphins-restructuring-koa-misis-contract/

Ugh...I was hoping we were going to cut his sorry ass once and for all. Guess not. No

I think moving him to DE is a waste...he's small for the position and has no pass rush moves at all. He'll get eaten alive by big tackles. I want the Phins to get bigger at DE, not smaller. Oh well.

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Post by Birdmond on Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:03 pm

JMP wrote:Yep, here's an article about the possible Misi restructure:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/03/report-dolphins-restructuring-koa-misis-contract/

Ugh...I was hoping we were going to cut his sorry ass once and for all. Guess not. No

I think moving him to DE is a waste...he's small for the position and has no pass rush moves at all. He'll get eaten alive by big tackles. I want the Phins to get bigger at DE, not smaller. Oh well.

Yep. I wanted Misi realesed almost as bad as Donald Thomas. I wish they'd just throw me a bone and cut somebody.

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Post by mercury22nathan on Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:55 pm

wait. huh?

in discussing DE options, specifically Greg Hardy...

But I don't see the Dolphins doing this because I cannot see saddling a new head coach with this headache right out of the chute. I also think him on the same team with Ndamukong Suh, who is not well liked within the building and among some teammates, seems a volatile combination.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2016/03/five-or-six-possible-des-for-miami-dolphins.html

did Armando just say that Suh is not well liked by Phins' staff and teammates?

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Post by finskev on Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:04 pm

What about getting better from within at Lb with the Young Free agents we signed Last Year who got some playing time during the end of year, any chance one of the 3 could make a Big Leap this year.

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Post by JMP on Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:31 pm

mercury22nathan wrote:wait.  huh?

in discussing DE options, specifically Greg Hardy...

But I don't see the Dolphins doing this because I cannot see saddling a new head coach with this headache right out of the chute. I also think him on the same team with Ndamukong Suh, who is not well liked within the building and among some teammates, seems a volatile combination.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2016/03/five-or-six-possible-des-for-miami-dolphins.html

did Armando just say that Suh is not well liked by Phins' staff and teammates?

That seems like a pretty damn big bomb for Armando to drop without offering any explanation.

But honestly, it doesn't surprise me.  Suh seems like a guy that keeps mostly to himself, and he separated himself from the team in the locker room (along with Wake) with that stupid 'Manhattan' section.  I think Suh is very much about Suh, and I don't think he has much interest in making friends or following the company line.  Not saying these are necessarily negatives, just explaining why I think some people may not like him.

It just points out a huge problem on this team: the players that are making the most money have no leadership ability at all.  Tannehill, Suh, Pouncey, Grimes, Wake, Albert...not one of them is a real leader on or off the field.  The guys at the top of the food chain in terms of salary should do more than just show up to work, IMO.

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Post by DolFan 316 on Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:57 pm

mercury22nathan wrote:did Armando just say that Suh is not well liked by Phins' staff and teammates?

What's so shocking about that? I figured that one out after 2 or 3 games last season. Suh's not the most likeable guy to begin with, and then he gave his little, "Nobody on this team's as good as I am, you buncha losers!" speech.

finskev wrote:What about getting better from within at Lb with the Young Free agents we signed Last Year who got some playing time during the end of year, any chance one of the 3 could make a Big Leap this year.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

That was pure comedy gold, Jerry. GOLD~! Laughing

JMP wrote:It just points out a huge problem on this team: the players that are making the most money have no leadership ability at all.  Tannehill, Suh, Pouncey, Grimes, Wake, Albert...not one of them is a real leader on or off the field.  The guys at the top of the food chain in terms of salary should do more than just show up to work, IMO.

I mentioned this earlier in the week and I will again, this team has so many passive-aggressive guys on it. That locker room really is one big hen party. Thanks, Philbin! Evil or Very Mad

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