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Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by DolFan 316 on Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:33 am

I actually meant to post this a few days ago. Just take a gander at the player salaries comparable to what Vernon thinks he's worth.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2622035-why-transition-tagged-de-olivier-vernon-will-be-giant-free-agent-bust

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by JMP on Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:22 am

Excellent article, and it highlights a criticism I had of Vernon going way back to 2013: he doesn't often create sacks on his own.  And opposing teams know it, because he rarely gets double-teamed (at least as far as I can see), even when Wake is off the field.

I disagree with the article's assertion that Vernon could be a 3-4 OLB - I don't think he's athletic enough or fast enough - but otherwise I think it's spot on.

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by JMP on Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:39 am

Schefter just reported that the Phins have lifted the transition tag from Vernon.  He is now free to sign with any team without waiting for the Phins to try to match.

So, Vernon is no longer a Miami Dolphin.

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by white1 on Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:47 am

Also we will get compensatory pick next year for him. Good move.

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Post by JMP on Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:50 am

white1 wrote:Also we will get compensatory pick next year for him. Good move.

Depends on what we do in free agency.  I expect us to be major players in free agency, and I think that will ruin any chance of getting compensatory picks...like it does every year.

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by white1 on Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:53 am

I wonder if that's part of thinking on the proposed trade? Get a linebacker and corner without signing a free agent

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Post by JMP on Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:02 am

white1 wrote:I wonder if that's part of thinking on the proposed trade? Get a linebacker and corner without signing a free agent

Yeah, probably...I bet you're right.

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Post by white1 on Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:20 am

Now that I think about it I recall tannenbaum calling out compensatory picks as an avenue to build talent base. Clearly smart teams will game the system to try and patch holes while losing select players in return for comps. Interesting.

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Post by JMP on Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:34 am

white1 wrote:Now that I think about it I recall tannenbaum calling out compensatory picks as an avenue to build talent base. Clearly smart teams will game the system to try and patch holes while losing select players in return for comps. Interesting.

Well, we'll see...I still think we'll sign too many FAs to get picks.  I'm assuming that freeing up all this cap space is being done in order to go crazy in free agency...guess we'll find out soon enough...

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by finskev on Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:05 pm

Schefter thinks that we could get a 3rd or 4th next year if Vernon gets the Kinda of contract that people think he will get.

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Post by Birdmond on Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:27 pm

Vernon got more money than JJ Watt! LMFAO

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by white1 on Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:23 pm

Yeah. WAY overpaid. I like Vernon. I mean I like him, and would have liked to see him back on the team.

But not at this price. Oh God no not at this price. Dear Lord did Jerry Reese panic after seeing Coughlin ushered out of NY.

Details here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/09/giants-add-olivier-vernon-to-free-agent-haul/

It’s another huge deal. Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports it is a five-year contract worth up to $85 million with $52.5 million in guaranteed money, although there’s no note about structure or the nature of the guarantees at this point. That’s a bit less in total money than Malik Jackson got from the Jaguars, but the guarantee is bigger than Jackson’s and any other that a defensive end has received.

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Post by HalCHorn on Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:14 pm

5 years, $85 million....suddenly Suh's deal doesn't look half bad.

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by DolFan 316 on Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:09 am

Guarantee there's still DolFans out there complaining about them "not re-signing their own".

Looks like I was right all along and Vernon, Miller, Matthews, etc. really did want out of Miami. And who can blame them? No other reason why they'd all price themselves right out of town. And on top of that they all got what they wanted, maybe in Vernon's case more. Good for them. Seriously.

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by finfanatic on Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:49 am

Well, they HAD Vernon at around 10 mill on the transition tag.

So they sign an aging guy who Rex could not turn into a pass rusher and who has underwhelmed his whole time in Buffalo and now the pass rush is fixed and getting MAYBE a 3rd round compensatory pick is a GOOD THING?!?!

I have always been astounded by the fact most people think getting draft picks for players whe we know can play is anything but a failure?

Especially for the Phins whose drafting invariably STINKS!

After this free agent period and the draft, we will be lucky to have a team with the SAME LEVEL of talent as last seasons IMHO!

But at least Tannenbaum will have saved some cap space and that is what REALLY counts!



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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by DolFan 316 on Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:56 am

Oh next season's already doomed, no doubt.

But it's not because the Fins refused to pay Vernon JJ Watt money. That's pretty much the one smart thing they've done.

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by finfanatic on Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:08 am

Yes, they could not afford to pay that money, I agree, but saying the team is better off with Williams than Vernon is just FALSE IMHO!

I just have BAD FEELING about the team this year. This all reminds me way too much of the Cam Cameron year!!

Hope not but....

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by Birdmond on Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:16 am

finfanatic wrote:Yes, they could not afford to pay that money, I agree, but saying the team is better off with Williams than Vernon is just FALSE IMHO!

I just have BAD FEELING about the team this year. This all reminds me way too much of the Cam Cameron year!!

Hope not but....

Completely disagree. Williams was playing weak side LB in Buffalo. Dumbest move I've seen in years. He's a better pass rusher and light years ahead of Vernon against the run.

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by white1 on Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:26 am

Agree on that point also.

Rex Ryan did not need to TURN him into a pass rush specialist at DE. He already was a proven pass rushing DE. He ruined him by asking him to play out of position in his 3-4 scheme, with terrible results. Literally took that defense from a top 5 unit to totally average - in one season.

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by JMP on Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:06 am

Vernon is a solid player, but he is not in Super Mario's league...he's just not.

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by finfanatic on Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:11 pm

I hope you guys are right.

But for a dude who was worthless like Vernon, he sure was the subject of a bidding war IMMEDIATELY after the tag was lifted.

All those dolts in the NFL, huh?

Very Happy

We shall see. I just have not been able to shake this bad feeling.

I think it is Tannenbaum? Dude gives me the willies!

Sad

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by JMP on Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:07 pm

I will say this...Mario Williams is not a leader and he is reportedly not a very good teammate.  Sounds a lot like Suh...good on the field, but not in the locker room.

What this team needs more than anything is leadership, and Tannenbaum continues to ignore it.

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by HalCHorn on Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:20 pm

Vernon is a good, solid player and arguably the best value that Ireland brought in through the draft as a third rounder, which is saying something because Ireland did make some decent picks in the middle and late rounds during his tenure. (Unfortunately overshadowed by his terrible misfires with valuable early picks.)

That said, Vernon is being paid like he's Von Miller or J.J. Watt, and he just isn't. He's a good player and you'd want him on your team, but I have a feeling he will be exposed if Pierre-Paul isn't able to come back in top form (a big if right now IMO).

I think Rishard Matthews will be a success in Tennessee. Every time the guy got a chance to play he caught passes here.

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Re: Why Vernon's Not Worth It

Post by finfanatic on Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:44 am

I hear Von Miller wants to start talking about money using Suh's contract as a STARTING POINT!


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