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Post by mercury22nathan Wed May 04, 2016 9:19 am

look, the drug situation with Tunsil is what it is.  no one can take back what has already happened, all we can hope for is that he stays clean (or is at least smart enough not to get busted) moving forward and remains available to play.  but by all accounts, he is an extremely talented football player - argued by some to be the best in the draft - and therefore a significant steal at #13 based on ability alone.  so, in looking at that talent, i have but one concern...

Tunsil unexpectedly dropped to the Dolphins, where he will play for new head coach Adam Gase and offensive line coach Chris Foerster. Both coaches have a background with the outside-zone blocking scheme, but Tunsil does not have much experience running the outside zone as he was asked to block down in a gap scheme and a simplistic inside-zone scheme at Ole Miss. This could be a huge adjustment for most players, but Tunsil’s mix of athleticism and talent should make the transition easy. Where Tunsil may struggle is in pass blocking, as he was not asked to pass protect on a lot of 5-step-drop passes. While Tunsil is very athletic, pass blocking takes skill development and experience, so the Dolphins could experience some growing pains with his pass protection.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/05/03/how-all-31-first-round-picks-fit-with-their-new-teams/

is he a scheme fit?  the simple idea of moving from college OT to pro OG isn't as much of a big for me.

This isn’t that unusual, a highly rated tackle playing guard. Dallas’ two guards, Zac Martin and La’el Collins, were tackles in college. Hall of Fame left tackle Jonathan Ogden started his NFL career at guard.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dave-hyde-blog/sfl-hyde5-why-i-gave-dolphins-draft-an-a-20160503-story.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DaveHyde-blog+%28Dave+Hyde+|+Sun+Sentinel+blogs%29

so Tunsil will have to learn zone-blocking as he's been primarily a down blocker in college - and he's never had to pass protect on a 5-step drop (so maybe Gase's offense will rely on more quick hitting, timing routes).  perhaps the time at OG will allow him to learn and adjust while at the same time hiding his potential pass protection flaws in learning a new scheme.

maybe this all isn't a big deal (hopefully not).  well, at least one NFC scout doesn't think so.

An NFC scout, who studied and researched Tunsil closely told me this week: “From watching his film, he’s as good as any left tackle prospect I’ve seen in the last four years. He won’t have any problem moving over to guard next season, especially in a zone blocking scheme..."

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2016/05/heat-postscripts-reaction-from-game-1-win-dolphins-and-marlins-news-and-notes.html

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Post by Birdmond Wed May 04, 2016 9:39 am

Nice post. On field I have Zero worries about Tunsil. I don't see Albert lasting 4 games so his switch to guard will be brief.

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Post by JMP Wed May 04, 2016 10:30 am

First, I think Tunsil has been overrated by many people because he was just penciled in as the #1 pick when the Titans needed a LT.  Once the Titans traded out, I don’t think Tunsil would have been taken in the top 5 picks, and as it turns out, the top 12 teams didn’t like him enough to overlook the drug video.  So again, I do think he was very overrated and I don’t buy into this idea that he was the top player in the draft, at all.  This was a very weak draft, which probably put him higher than he should have been, but I don’t think he is the prospect that Ramsey, Bosa, Elliott, Buckner, etc. were.  In fact, prior to the draft I heard/read several people make convincing arguments that Ronnie Stanley was just as good and maybe better than Tunsil, and clearly the Ravens agreed with that.
 
In any case, my take is that Tunsil will be a good – maybe very good – LT in the NFL.  But, I do not see him as a perennial All Pro or even Pro Bowler.  And that’s fine – all we need is “good enough”, and I think Tunsil will certainly be good enough.  To me, he looks a lot like Ja'Wuan James with better footwork…in other words, the left tackle version of James.  And that’s fine.
 
As far as scheme fit, I’m not really concerned.  I think Tunsil can probably fit in any scheme, and he is athletic enough for what the Phins want to do.
 
Negatives - Like every rookie lineman, Tunsil will need to adjust to the speed, strength and pass rush ability of the defensive linemen he will face, and he will likely struggle a bit in pass pro early as a result.  He’s also going to need to greatly improve his run blocking, because right now I think that’s the weakest area of his game.  He’s on the light side for a tackle at 310, but clearly has the frame to easily add another 10-15 pounds.  And NFL training program will help with that.   These are all things I think he can and will overcome, but I do expect early struggles.
 
I don’t like the idea of Tunsil at guard.  His long arms may get him in trouble in tight spaces, and again he’s not yet a run blocker.  But, as long as Albert is healthy I think guard is where he’ll have to play.  There’s no way he’s ready to unseat Albert yet.
 
And that brings up one more point: people are viewing Tunsil as the solution to the line’s problems, and I really don’t see why.  Left tackle has not been the problem for this line - in fact, it’s been a strength when Albert is healthy.  The problem areas are guard and depth, and to a lesser extent a center that is not nearly as good as his reputation is.  I don’t think Tunsil solves the guard problem.  Certainly he’ll help with depth, as we now have a legit #2 LT – that’s huge.  But as long as we have an inferior interior (ha!), I think this line will continue to struggle.  So yeah, Tunsil can be a good player – I just don’t think he’s the OL savior he’s being portrayed as.

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Post by DolFan 316 Fri May 06, 2016 5:21 am

Mark my words, LeRaven Clark will have a better and longer NFL career than Tunsil. And the Colts got him in the 5th.

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Post by finfanatic Fri May 06, 2016 2:20 pm

If...and it is a big IF....Tunsil stays clean...the Phins upgraded the depth of their O-line tremendously.

How many times have the game 1 starting OTs finished the season?

None I am thinking.

Last season, the Phins lost BOTH OTs.

If Tunsil can play OG and then cover at OT in case of injury, that HAS to improve the Oline IMO.

From a talent perspective, the pick was a steal. But talent alone is not the only consideration. Not just one, but TWO TEAMS that used their 1st round picks on O-linemen passed on picking Tunsil.


I did hear on the radio (I do not remember who) that Tunsil would be the starting LT for the Phins come game 1 this season.

So we will see.
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Post by JMP Fri May 06, 2016 2:27 pm

IMO the only way Tunsil starts at LT game 1 is if Albert is injured or gets cut/traded. 

I don't like the idea of Tunsil at guard, but as long as Albert is healthy Albert has to be the LT.  He's the best lineman on the team, by far, and that's his position.

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Post by Birdmond Fri May 06, 2016 2:30 pm

JMP wrote:IMO the only way Tunsil starts at LT game 1 is if Albert is injured or gets cut/traded. 

I don't like the idea of Tunsil at guard, but as long as Albert is healthy Albert has to be the LT.  He's the best lineman on the team, by far, and that's his position.

I think we need to start a pool for when Fat Albert goes down. I say week 4.

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Post by JMP Fri May 06, 2016 2:45 pm

Birdmond wrote:
I think we need to start a pool for when Fat Albert goes down.  I say week 4.  

He did miss weeks 3 and 4 last season, so you may be onto something!  LOL

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