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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by mercury22nathan on Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:46 am

the issue with Jones isn't so much about being the highest paid as it is about gaining contract security...

The Dolphins could release Jones after this season with basically no financial penalty — they’d save $7.1 million. And that’s a main reason Jones has sat out voluntary workouts in protest of his contract.

He believes he should be paid a couple of million more per year, which would put him in line with the league’s other top safeties. But the lack of guaranteed money is also an issue. Jones is a top-tier NFL safety so from a football perspective there’s no reason the Dolphins would consider cutting him. It’s injury protection that he’s concerned about.

http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/06/10/looking-ahead-at-dolphins-2017-salary-cap-situation/

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by JMP on Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:13 am

Interesting.  I would think he'd be happy to get released after the season...he'll get a lot more money, including a huge guarantee, if he hits the open market.  The injury protection is a legit concern, but that's true of any player.  I don't know...I just think he needs to show up and do his job.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by white1 on Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:16 am

Dont most players in this position buy an injury insurance policy? Would seem to be a wise investment, protect against the loss of your big earning years.

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Post by finskev on Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:29 pm

I wonder Who His Agent is that is giving Jones some Bad Advice. Chanceler (sp) from Seattle tried Last Year and it didn't work and He also played below his usual standards after he came back.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by JMP on Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:57 pm

finskev wrote:I wonder Who His Agent is that is giving Jones some Bad Advice. Chanceler (sp) from Seattle tried Last Year and it didn't work and He also played below his usual standards after he came back.

That's a good point.  Missing any time at all in a new defensive system is not good.  If he holds out, Jones could be setting himself up for a down year...not good for him if he wants a big contract.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by mercury22nathan on Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:31 am

S Reshad Jones skipped all of OTAs, and I'm told his holdout is expected to continue through minicamp. He'd face fines, of course.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/742370048870875136

okay Reshad, you made your point - but you have no leverage. let's get back to work.

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Post by JMP on Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:04 am

Man, that's valuable time to miss in a new defensive system.  Not a smart move.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by rightchea on Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:19 pm

well it doesn't sound like Gase is having a problem with him missing out. I say either tell him that he get an extra 2 mil or he can walk. I even think about trading his leaving doesn't hurt their salary and Miami probably gets a nice pick for him.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by JMP on Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:21 am

I don't think there's any chance that the Phins trade Jones now, but realistically, if they did, I think the best they could hope for is a 5th rounder...maybe a 4th. I don't see any team giving up a higher pick for a safety that wants a huge contract - especially not a safety that has only had one great season.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by mercury22nathan on Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:27 am

Miami Dolphins safety Reshad Jones, who has stayed away from the team while seeking a new contract, hasreported to the team's mandatory minicamp Wednesday.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/16223964/reshad-jones-joins-miami-dolphins-mandatory-minicamp-one-day-holdout

and just like that - its over.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by mercury22nathan on Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:30 am

in his new role as the "real" team GM, Steve Ross took care it...

...club owner Stephen Ross has also opened the lines of communication by speaking directly with Jones about the matter.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2016/06/reshad-jones-making-case-about-gauranteed-money-to-stephen-ross.html

i'm sure Tannenbaum was thrilled.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by JMP on Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:32 am

Great news!!  Ross actually did something positive, and Jones is back.  Good all around.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by white1 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:10 pm

No complaints here, he came to his senses and reported before any real damage was done.

Also, have to applaud the team and Jones camp that the dispute never got ugly in public. They were each very civil and only made it clear this was a contract issue. Never got contentious, no numbers were thrown around, and now it's over. For once, a job well done.


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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by DolFan 316 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:35 pm

Awww...it's so cute when athletes do this sort of thing. Like a child throwing a hissyfit, really. And then an hour later the child forgets what he was even angry about.

I guess now would be the perfect time to step up my blast from the past Fins games on Youtube. I'll try and see if the Browns playoff win is still up, with NFL games you never know when they'll be taken off.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by rightchea on Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:00 pm

well this is a interesting take on Jones. I don't see a problem with this either especially if Miami can get a 1st and 4th round pick for him.

Robert wrote:For a safety of his caliber this news has to be concerning for many in the Dolphins front office. With the team attempting to get a new deal done in the near future without overpaying, questions of Jones value will be raised. With two years remaining on his current deal Miami will be in no hurry to make deal.

This raises a very intriguing question. If Reshad Jones is extremely intent on getting a new deal and the Dolphins are intent on not being pushed into a corner, should Jones be put on the trading block. While this may seem like a crazy move for the Dolphins, the current state of the team could help make a move like this make sense.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/should_the_miami_dolphins_consider_trading_reshad_jones/s1_12266_21158401

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by DolFan 316 on Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:37 pm

I say do it. This team's not making the playoffs in the next 5 years at least anyway. If I was running a Madden franchise and this same situation came up I would in a heartbeat.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by white1 on Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:25 am

He's in his prime but reaching the point where his age should diminish his skills. Now is the time to move him for maximum value, a "trade and sign" type deal with another team reworking his contract in preparation for the deal.

But yes, first round pick is mandatory. He's at least a top 10 safety in the league, and made the probowl so his talent is certainly tangible and visible to all teams.


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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by JMP on Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:31 am

Who's trading a 1st for a safety?  I think that's a dream.  I think a 5th is more likely...maybe a 4th if it's a conditional pick.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by white1 on Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:39 am

If that's the trade market then it makes no sense to move him. We would create a hole in our secondary and get a low-round pick in return? No thanks.

A 4th or 5th round player, statistically, most of the time never becomes more than a career backup if they even make the active roster to begin with. To me, makes more sense to spend the money needed to keep him while he's still performing well, and use draft picks on other parts of the team.


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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by JMP on Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:19 am

white1 wrote:If that's the trade market then it makes no sense to move him.  We would create a hole in our secondary and get a low-round pick in return? No thanks.  

A 4th or 5th round player, statistically, most of the time never becomes more than a career backup if they even make the active roster to begin with. To me, makes more sense to spend the money needed to keep him while he's still performing well, and use draft picks on other parts of the team.


Agreed, but I'd consider a 3rd for Jones.

I honestly have no idea what a top 10 safety would draw in a trade...has one ever been traded??  Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't think the position has that much value in a trade, especially if the new team has to shell out a huge contract too.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by white1 on Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:32 am

I did a little research on this topic.

The first example was Mark Barron, traded from Tampa to St Louis in October of 2014. At the time, Barron who was a #7 overall selection for Tampa, was ranked #66 at his position after three seasons with the team. The traded netted Tamp a 4th and a 6th.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000419401/article/buccaneers-trade-safety-mark-barron-to-rams-for-picks

The next example I found was Seattle getting Kelcie McCray from KC. McCray was an undrafted free agent, and the move was made for depth. They gave up a 5th round pick to get him.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000523236/article/seahawks-trade-for-safety-kelcie-mccray

Perhaps we are being too pessimistic as to Jones value. From these two examples, we have lower-performing players netting somewhere around a 4th round pick in return.

Given Jones performance and relative ranking, a 3rd round pick would appear to be in line with his value. A playoff contender looking to plug a roster hole and make a championship run could likely be convinced to give up a 2nd round pick. First is probably out of the question.

For a 2nd rounder, I'm tempted to do a deal if I'm Miami. A 3rd maybe so as well, or something like a 3rd and 6 or 7. From the quick searching I did, was unable to find a deal for a pro-bowl caliber safety. But value can be fairly well understood given these two deals for players at far lower than pro-bowl talent.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by JMP on Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:04 pm

Nice research, white.

The cost of the contract has to be considered, though.  Barron and especially McCray are making peanuts compared to what Jones will get in a new deal.  So you have to find a team that is willing to pony up a good pick to the Phins AND back up the Brinks truck for Jones. That combination will turn off most teams, I'd think.  You'd probably have to do the deal with a team that thinks it is "close" and that Jones could put them over the top.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by white1 on Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:06 am

Agreed. The stars would have to align perfectly to swing it. Odds are it won't happen.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by JMP on Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:59 am

white1 wrote:Agreed.  The stars would have to align perfectly to swing it.  Odds are it won't happen.


Yeah, I think Jones is more valuable playing for the Phins than what the Phins could get for him.  If some team offered a 1st, 2nd or 3rd, I'd probably jump on it.  I'm just not convinced any team would ever go that high.

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Re: Redhead jones holdout

Post by DolFan 316 on Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:10 pm

HEY!!! I'M the only one supposed to do research around here!!! Evil or Very Mad

j/k I'm actually glad other people are doing it for a change Very Happy

I'm also glad other people don't think I'm insane for wanting to trade Jones Cool

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