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WTF??? Patriots trade Jamie Collins to Browns!

Post by JMP on Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:30 pm

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17935817/new-england-patriots-trade-jamie-collins-cleveland-browns-draft-pick


The New England Patriots have traded linebacker Jamie Collins to the Cleveland Browns for a compensatory third-round pick, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
Collins' contract will expire after the season, and he was at one point asking for what one league source described as "Von Miller money." The Denver Broncos gave Miller a six-year, $114.5 million deal in July that included that $70 million guaranteed.


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Re: WTF??? Patriots trade Jamie Collins to Browns!

Post by Birdmond on Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:35 pm

I've heard it was a power move by Belichick. Collins didn't always do things his way and wanted Von Miller money. Sending him to Cleveland is a big FU move.


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Post by JMP on Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:45 pm

Yeah, they said he gave up some big plays by freelancing and BB wasn't having it. Still crazy - arguably their best defensive player.

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Re: WTF??? Patriots trade Jamie Collins to Browns!

Post by rightchea on Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:56 pm

The Patriots don't need good players to cheat.

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Post by Birdmond on Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:03 am

rightchea wrote:The Patriots don't need good players to cheat.

Cheat or not it's the best organization led by the best coach in the history of sports. IMO

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Post by DolFan 316 on Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:48 am

Birdmond wrote:Cheat or not it's the best organization led by the best coach in the history of sports.  IMO

That must be why he went 10 years between titles, and even then needed the most boneheaded play call in NFL history to win.

How many titles does Belichick have if the Browns select Brady in the 6th round of the 2000 draft instead of Spergon Wynn? scratch

Not to mention the rest of the league has been tripping all over themselves trying to self-destruct for the past 15 years or so.

Shula certainly had his flaws, but he was in position to win a title ten years after his last one too, only the teams he faced in the SB didn't help him out.

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Re: WTF??? Patriots trade Jamie Collins to Browns!

Post by Birdmond on Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:06 pm

DolFan 316 wrote:
Birdmond wrote:Cheat or not it's the best organization led by the best coach in the history of sports.  IMO

That must be why he went 10 years between titles, and even then needed the most boneheaded play call in NFL history to win.

How many titles does Belichick have if the Browns select Brady in the 6th round of the 2000 draft instead of Spergon Wynn? scratch

Not to mention the rest of the league has been tripping all over themselves trying to self-destruct for the past 15 years or so.

Shula certainly had his flaws, but he was in position to win a title ten years after his last one too, only the teams he faced in the SB didn't help him out.

Who's to say Belichick didn't make Tom Brady. It's not like he was John Elway in college.

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Post by DolFan 316 on Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:13 pm

From what I'm hearing the Collins trade hasn't exactly been working out smoothly for the Pats and likely cost them the Seahawks game. Hmmm scratch

And a lifelong DC whose only previous HC stop was a Wannyesque failure suddenly having the ability to "make" a random 6th round QB pick great??? Come on, Bird. You're better than that. This is me you're talking to.

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Re: WTF??? Patriots trade Jamie Collins to Browns!

Post by HalCHorn on Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:11 am

DolFan 316 wrote:

Shula certainly had his flaws, but he was in position to win a title ten years after his last one too, only the teams he faced in the SB didn't help him out.

You know where I stand, this one is no contest.

Belicheck: 6 Super Bowls, all with Brady.

Shula: Made it to the league championship game (1964, pre-SB)/Super Bowl with Hall of Famers Unitas, Griese and Marino....and also got there with Earl Morrall and David Woodley.

Before I rate Belicheck ahead of Shula, well, let's see him at least get to one with with another QB.

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Post by Birdmond on Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:27 pm

Oh so Belichick gets discredited because he coached Brady but Shula is still a god even though he ruined Marino''s career. I get it. If Belichick coaches Marino he would have had 10 rings.

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Post by DolFan 316 on Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:40 am

Birdmond wrote:Oh so Belichick gets discredited because he coached Brady but Shula is still a god even though he ruined Marino''s career.  I get it.

Good. I'm glad you understand Cool BTW JJ ruined Marino's career far worse. Almost like he wanted Marino to fail just so he (JJ) could be the lone team alpha male.

If Belichick coaches Marino he would have had 10 rings.

This is the same guy who went 10 years between titles despite cheating like crazy and still doesn't have a SB win by more than 4 points, right? Laughing Razz

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Re: WTF??? Patriots trade Jamie Collins to Browns!

Post by HalCHorn on Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:24 am

Birdmond wrote:Oh so Belichick gets discredited because he coached Brady but Shula is still a god even though he ruined Marino''s career.  I get it.  If Belichick coaches Marino he would have had 10 rings.  

Discredited, no. Lots of great coaches only got there with one QB. Noll, Coughlin, Lombardi, Madden among them.

But Shula is the only coach to get to the league championship game/Super Bowl with 5 different QB's in the past 50 years. Joe Gibbs did it with three (Theismann, Rypien, Williams). No one else got there with more than two (Landry, Vermeil, Holmgren, Cowher among the ones in that club). Shula is indeed in a league of his own there. He got there with 3 HOF'ers, true, but he also got there with Woodley and Morrall.

Shula's last 10 years were not that great, but still better than Landry's final years or Noll's final years. They don't offset the mind-boggling accomplishments from 1963-1985. Winning 73 percent of your games over a 23 year period? Belicheck is at a very impressive 67 percent over 22 years; fantastic in every regard..and yet Shula's record over 23 years is still better.

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Re: WTF??? Patriots trade Jamie Collins to Browns!

Post by Birdmond on Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:55 am

DolFan 316 wrote:
Birdmond wrote:Cheat or not it's the best organization led by the best coach in the history of sports.  IMO

That must be why he went 10 years between titles, and even then needed the most boneheaded play call in NFL history to win.

How many titles does Belichick have if the Browns select Brady in the 6th round of the 2000 draft instead of Spergon Wynn? scratch

Not to mention the rest of the league has been tripping all over themselves trying to self-destruct for the past 15 years or so.

Shula certainly had his flaws, but he was in position to win a title ten years after his last one too, only the teams he faced in the SB didn't help him out.

Once again; Best coach, best organization in the history of sports.

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