Tunsil, the best?

Tunsil - the best young LT in the game?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/baldys-breakdowns/0ap3000001035902/Why-Tunsil-is-the-best-young-LT-in-NFL-Baldy-s-Breakdowns

agree or disagree?

He is super young, just 24, so I suppose that makes him one of the best young LTs in the game by default.

But for overall LTs, he's not even top 10 IMO. He's good - at times very good - but too inconsistent overall. Hopefully the new coaching staff, with a real OL coach, will get him to the next level.

Gotta admit, though...part of me is just waiting for him to fail a drug test...

Tunsil's done pretty well for a Hugh Freeze-coached player from Ole Miss. Which means he's...average. If he's considered one of the league's best O-linemen, it only highlights the sad, sorry state of NFL O-lines today.

http://pfref.com/tiny/6yfl1

When he TRIES...he is probably one of the best. But he takes too may plays off it looks like. Gets caught leaning way too much. And fails to get the leg kick that he needs for speedy rushers to keep them from getting around him. This seems to happen when he gets tired.

New coaching will definitely help. But...like JMP, I have a hard time thinking a guy who got taped smoking dope in a bongmask is gonna make it long term.

I don't care about the pot thing, that's been going on forever.

I do care about him taking plays off though. I would say he has the potential to be a great player, but it's all up to him now.

At power bong, yes. Power sweep, no! Hopefully the new coaching staff gets all of our line to perform at a higher caliber!

I will admit, I was highly critical of Tunsil early in his career.

He changed my mind last season. It looks to me like he is an ascending young LT, and may actually develop into the stud we hoped for when drafting him in the first round.

Best in the league? No. Top 10? Maybe? The fact he's in this conversation shows that he's getting some attention from analysts.

I do agree, having an actual offensive philosophy versus a series of disjointed plays will help a great deal. Also, we have a much more veteran coaching staff now than we did over Tunsil's first few seasons.

Does he want to be great? That will make all the difference. He either needs to decide to bring it every play, and polish his technique, or do the minimum in order to play well. He'll either be good to very good, or great, it's really up to him. He has the measurables and tools to succeed if he wants it.

white1 wrote:  

having an actual offensive philosophy versus a series of disjointed plays will help a great deal.  Also, we have a much more veteran coaching staff now than we did over Tunsil's first few seasons.

I don't think this can be stated strongly enough. We've had a non-stop flow of unqualified and incompetent coaches across the board for YEARS. That changed this offseason, and it will make a HUGE difference in how this team prepares and plays. Again, it may not lead directly to wins in year one, but we're heading in the right direction.

I too am really looking forward to an offensive identity that isn't offensive to watch. It feels like the Dolphins haven't really had any inkling of what they want to do on offense since they decided to do the wildcat for awhile.

Now he's a Texan!!!!!! I'll reserve my feelings until I see the total compensation

Ho. Lee. SHIT.

First things first: We received a HUGE haul from Houston, which explains this move. This article on PFT says it's Tunsil, Stills (lol) to the Texans for TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS plus a 2nd round pick.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/31/dolphins-get-two-first-round-picks-and-a-second-round-pick-from-texans/

I don't know which draft (2020 or 2021). Plus, a couple of players from Houston (I think a lineman and special teams ace).

We have in effect punted two starting offensive players away in a year when we already have very little on that side of the ball. Pushing ever more draft capital into future years.

My take? The regime was in like - LIKE - not in love with Tunsil. My guess? He was very good in pass pro but not dominant in the running game, and that's not ideal in the eyes of Grier and Flores. New England is a deceptively physical team, and they like to run the ball more than people think. Look at one of Tom Brady's signature plays: his short yardage QB sneak. It's damn near automatic and you need power on the line to make that work.

Let's recall, we did get Tunsil #13 overall, and good to great OTs have been had anywhere in the 1st and 2nd rounds. It's eerily the reverse of the Parcells regime taking Jake Long over Matt Ryan. Valuing a LT over a QB. We just traded off a very good (trending towards great) LT for draft picks nearly straight up. But that's QB type compensation, and I think Houston overpaid to secure Tunsil.

I'd much rather have this than Clowney. Glad it worked out this way instead.

I was really thinking the Dolphins could surprise some teams this year, and win 5-7 games. Without Tunsil (Stills doesn't matter) that becomes a much harder prospect. Our entire O line does not have one solid anchor, it's a bunch of pieces and parts mashed together.

Well I guess I have to add this because it's interesting to note. Tua is left handed, so LT is not his blind spot.

white1 wrote:I'd much rather have this than Clowney.  Glad it worked out this way instead.

The more I think about it, so am I Somehow the Fins get two firsts, trade away a locker room cancer (and cancer to the nation as a whole) without getting fleeced for a one-year rental. If Tunsil had to be sacrificed then so be it I guess. This team wasn't winning squat this season with him anyway. Now they could conceivably get a QB *and* LT in the next draft.

Also, good luck dealing with Bob McNair, Stills If you thought Ross was racist you'll be pulling your hair out now, MUAHAHAHAHA!!!

Davenport starts for us. Better than the backups we have been playing this preseason.

Bademosi's a bad man on special teams as well, or at least used to be.

All I can say is...WOW!!!!

I did not see this coming. But after getting over my initial shock, I realize that the Phins absolutely FLEECED the Texans. How in the world did we get two firsts, a second AND two players for two guys that have a grand total of ZERO Pro Bowls between them??? Trading Tunsil leaves a gaping hole at LT but let's be honest: Dolphin fans greatly overrate him. I'd label him as a good, solid LT - but he's not elite. And the Texans gave up two firsts and a second for him. BTW, we were prepared to trade Stills to another team for a 5th if this trade didn't happen...so we robbed the Texans on that end too.

Our OL sucked with Tunsil...so what's the worst that can happen without him? We still suck??? Ummm...OK.

This is the Herschel Walker trade of modern-day football, and unless Grier fucks it up, we are now sitting in the driver's seat for a massive roster upgrade in the next two seasons.

Clearly, the Dolphins are all in on drafting a QB in 2020. One MAJOR thing to consider: if the Dolphins are as bad as everyone thinks they are and we end up with the #1 overall pick, we don't have to trade away any of our picks to move up. So essentially, we get the QB and still have another first, two seconds, probably two thirds, and two fourths to build this team. WOW!!!

Mark this date down, because it is one to remember: August 31, 2019 is the day the Dolphins took the first step toward becoming a serious contender. We may suffer this season, but this is a marathon and not a sprint - and we are now set up to do great things.

TANK FOR TUA BABY!!!!

Jmp being happy about this makes me even happier than I already was

If I were Ryan Fitzpatrick, I would announce my retirement tomorrow.

Degarmo wrote:If I were Ryan Fitzpatrick, I would announce my retirement tomorrow.

I agree, but if he was really going to retire the Fins wouldn't have cut Rudock.

He could still retire at halftime of one of the early games, though. The precedent has been set.

DolFan 316 wrote:

Degarmo wrote:If I were Ryan Fitzpatrick, I would announce my retirement tomorrow.

I agree, but if he was really going to retire the Fins wouldn't have cut Rudock.

He could still retire at halftime of one of the early games, though. The precedent has been set.

Fortunately, Fitz isn't that kind of person, but I'm serious. His age, this line, he's going to get hurt, and there's no reason for it. I'd just say, "Much like Miami Dolphins have called the 2019 season, I am calling it a career." Get some laughs, get out of Miami.

There's the money though. Most people would be set just from what he'll be making this season.

Maybe if he fakes being hurt more seriously than he really is and just "happens" to wind up on IR after 1-3 games...

Grier is truly the anti-Wannspiel. Hell, even Parcells was getting pennies on the dollar for assets like Ginn and Satele.

I liked Davenport in the 2017 draft. He's a decent starter, and still has room to improve.

Just great news. This will be a painful year, much like the Cowboys had in 1989 when they traded Herschel Walker, but the future looks bright.

Just for the record, I'm extremely happy with this trade.

C'mon Grier.

This move puts even more of the future of the Phins on Grier. I mean...he had it all already, but now...If he screws this up....

Yeah, Tunsil...I....bongmask....I would have never felt comfortable giving him BIG BIG MONEY.

Since it does seem likely the Phins are gonna end up with #1 overall pick, are we Phin Phans enough to hope the Texans stink it up too, so their #1 pick(s) are higher???

No, no....let's not tempt fate here....just revel in making a deal in which the OTHER TEAM got snookered!

Maybe the Phins have turned the corner on front office management dare we hope???