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Post by rightchea Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:57 pm

James Walker wrote:DAVIE, Fla. -- If there was an offseason award for most improved player with the Miami Dolphins, second-year linebacker Chris McCain would be a front-runner. No player has improved his standing more with the team than McCain compared to a year ago.

McCain came to the Dolphins in the spring of 2014 as an undrafted free agent with long odds of making the team. But McCain flashed early and often in training camp and earned a spot on Miami's 53-man roster. He got most of his rookie reps on special teams, highlighted by a blocked punt against the New England Patriots.

http://espn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/15579/dolphins-chris-mccain-making-a-sizable-jump-in-year-2

Mimai lacks so much when it comes to LB. For the fact that ESPN is talking about McCain either means there is little hope to Miami LB core or McCain is really that promising.

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Post by JMP Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:28 pm

I guess we'll see. I still think McCain is best suited to 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB due to his size. He's got to be considered raw because he has very little NFL experience. On the plus side, we really have no one else so it's his job to lose. Ultimately, I think he'll provide some outside pass rush but I could see him being a liability against the run and in coverage.

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Post by scotgif Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:33 am

All he did in preseason was impress. And then, like on cue, queasy joe summoned him to the bench, special teams, or the in active game-day roster. All this, while having arguably the worst LB core in the entire league. This is all about the head coach having no faith in rookies, or young players. He would rather have a steady, mediocre, know what you have under-performer, than turning a talented (maybe raw) rookie loose to make plays. I would have even settled for letting him just be a third down pass rush specialist, to maximize his get to the QB ability. Oh, how I just love queasy grampa joe.
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Post by Birdmond Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:16 am

Didn't McCain get hurt at some point last season? McCain has also been working at DE. I believe with the addition of Mosley we will see a lot of the 5-2. Misi was learning a new position AND was banged up last season. There has to be a reason EVERYONE in the organization is gaga over this guy. LB is way down the list on worries for me.

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Post by JMP Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:24 am

Yep, McCain was injured most of the season and had been practicing primarily as a DE. He barely played at all last season after that first game.

LB is the my biggest concern on this team, and has been for a couple of years now. I think it's by far the weakest position on the team, and could be the defense's undoing. Even with Suh, someone behind him still needs to make plays...and I don't trust this LB group to make them.

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Post by DolFan 316 Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:26 pm

Now that McCain's not a rookie, of course Philbin likes him Laughing

If Philbin had been coaching the Fins in '83, he'd have had Marino on the field as a holder for FGs only. I haven't heard of a coach with this much utter contempt and disdain for rookies since George Allen. It really puts into perspective how bad Matt Moore is that Tannehill started right away. Either that or Ross forced Philbin to start him just like he forced Ireland to draft him.

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Post by CarsonChris Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:52 pm

McCain is alright but Dion Jordan is the bomb!

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Post by JMP Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:42 am

CarsonChris wrote:McCain is alright but Dion Jordan is the bomb!

lol! What a fucking godawful pick that turned out to be. There's not enough Lysol in the world to remove the Fireland stench.

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Post by DolFan 316 Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:21 am

That pick was so bad that looking back I wish he HAD taken Lane Johnson. (Rim shot.)

Seriously, Ireland could've taken literally anybody else in that draft besides Jordan there and it would've turned out better. Trading up is just salt in the wound. The funny thing is, I remember thinking how skinny and frail Jordan looked even in his suit and bow tie.

Burial ground curse, I tells ya. Burial ground curse Crying or Very sad

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Post by Birdmond Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:40 am

My gosh that draft hurt. Can you imagine if Miami does not trade up and hits on both picks? Anyone want to do the research and list who we could have had with those two picks? I can't. Makes me ill.

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Post by JMP Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:36 am

Birdmond wrote:My gosh that draft hurt.   Can you imagine if Miami does not trade up and hits on both picks?   Anyone want to do the research and list who we could have had with those two picks?  I can't.  Makes me ill.  

Obviously, there's a lot of ways we could have gone with those two picks, but how about this:

#12 overall - DT Sheldon Richardson
#42 overall - CB Johnthan Banks, or RB Le'Veon Bell

Draft Richardson, and we don't have to smash the salary cap with Suh.

Draft Banks, and instead of auditioning 6 questionable CBs for the #2 job this offseason, we'd be debating over who our #1 CB is - Grimes or Banks.

Or, draft Bell and have one of the league's top playmakers on our offense.

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Post by CarsonChris Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:11 pm

The real question is if he will be the next mediocre player of the last 25 years? Great, please!

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Post by Birdmond Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:10 pm

I follow McCain on Twitter and Instagram. The guy is working his arse off and getting stronger BUT his frame is just too small. He looks more like a small forward than a strong side linebacker. Maybe the speed will outweigh the lack of bulk. We'll see.

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Post by Degarmo Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:15 am

That's the thing, though. Linebacker is a position in a transition phase. I think that outside linebackers are going to become more like safeties in the NFL due to the pass-catching TEs that are out there. When that happens, they'll start running the ball more again.

It's all cyclical.

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Post by Birdmond Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:09 am

I completely agree Degarmo.

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Post by JMP Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:35 am

To me, McCain is too tall and too slim to be a true LB. I see him more as a pass rush specialist than a full-time LB. I don't see him being able to consistently stop the run.

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Post by JMP Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:42 am

Omar Kelly tweeted today that "Based on what I'm told there's a pretty strong probability that Jelani Jenkins, Kelvin Sheppard and Koa Misi are Miami's starting LBers.". He said Sheppard has been one of the best 3 LBs so far, and the coaches don't yet "believe in" McCain. For now, McCain will play the jack role that Dion Jordan would have played.

There's a lot of time before the season, so things could change, but I'm fine with this. I like Sheppard more than Misi in the middle, and Misi is better suited to play outside. And as I've said all along, McCain fits best as a pass rush specialist.

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Post by Birdmond Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:06 am

Yeah I agree and I've read Sheppard is REALLY looking good in the middle.

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Post by JMP Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:49 am

Sheppard is a natural MLB, so it makes sense that he's taking over that starting job - he's the only one on the roster with any real NFL experience there (besides the little that Misi played last season). I'm not much of a fan of Sheppard or Misi overall, but given the state of the LB corps I think having them at MLB and OLB, respectively, is the only way to go.  Just have to hope the 3 starters stay healthy, because LB depth gets ugly real fast.

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