QB Analysis - Tannehill

by white1 Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:50 pm

Interesting read, I may have to purchase a copy of this book to see what his analysis reveals about all QBs in the league.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article144385454.html

by Birdmond Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:29 pm

Yeah I heard this guy on ESPN radio. He puts the work in. He also said that Miami should let Landry walk. He had Landry in his top 5 over rated players. Don't agree but I thought I'd throw that out there for the Landry haters.

by **JMP** Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:14 pm

Landry is absolutely overrated by Dolfans. I don't hate him at all, but I wish he'd grow up and start scoring some TDs. Ultimately, he's a possession receiver with an inflated number of receptions because he's the primary target on nearly every pass play (or at least that's how it seems sometimes.) IMO, he's sort of like Oronde Gadsden part 2 - but with more targets and fewer TDs. Gadsden was a favorite of mine, so I don't mean this comparison in a negative way at all - but I'm not sure Landry is as big a star as many Dolfans think he is.

As for Tannehill, we can argue about him till we're blue in the face - the bottom line is that he has yet to post a winning season and he has as many playoff appearances as I do. We can pass the blame wherever we want, but those are the facts. Until he steps up and leads his team to at the very least a winning record, he'll still be looking up at the Alex Smiths and Andy Daltons of the world - mediocre QBs who both have multiple playoff appearances under their belts.

by white1 Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:15 pm

it's an interesting point - as much as I love Landry he isn't Julio Jones, there's a number where he prices himself over the market.

I love the Stills signing and I think his skill set has some unique aspects, especially world class speed which Landry does not have. If he won't be reasonable on price then let him walk or let free agency set his price - imo that means an extension now might not make sense.

by **JMP** Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:17 am

Stills just needs to work with someone to teach him how to hold his hands when he catches the ball. Almost every catch he makes is in doubt because he keeps his hands open and has to work to catch the ball. Really, all he needs to do is put his hands closer together and his job will be MUCH easier. I learned how to catch when I was a wee lad: thumb and first finger together, creating a diamond with the the other thumb and first finger, all other fingers straight up...so the ball cannot get through your hands. I don't understand why Stills has so much trouble with that.

Regardless, at this stage he is clearly the #2 on this team, because Parker simply hasn't shown enough to this point.

by white1 Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:24 am

Regardless, at this stage he is clearly the #2 on this team, because Parker simply hasn't shown enough to this point.

You know, that's another key to the whole Landry equation. What if (and this is a big IF, but follow me) Parker turns into an alpha #1 receiver this season? After all, he has the size, speed and tools (like catch radius) to turn into that kind of receiver. That's why he was drafted where we took him. It's not out of the question. He's shown flashes of talent and has posted a few good games. The issue with him is consistency, and he will either get there or he won't. But it's a non-zero possibility in any case.

If Landry is pushing too hard for a ludicrous contract, and Parker becomes a stud #1, well, Parker is the more prototypical lead receiver. Landry is a possession guy. In that scenario, I'd be really tempted to roll with Parker - Stills, and hope I can get Carroo to develop or draft another possession type receiver next offseason.

A #3 receiver just isn't a priority, and can be found either in free agency or in the middle tier of the draft.

by Degarmo Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:30 am

If Parker cares, if he really gives a shit about football, he could absolutely be a No. 1, and a stud.

Does he care? That's what we're all wondering. This is his year to show if he does or not. Parker-Stills-Landry COULD become the next thing. So, is it a paycheck, or a promise you made to yourself to be the best?

by white1 Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:35 am

Totally agree.

by **JMP** Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:00 am

white1 wrote:
Regardless, at this stage he is clearly the #2 on this team, because Parker simply hasn't shown enough to this point.

You know, that's another key to the whole Landry equation. What if (and this is a big IF, but follow me) Parker turns into an alpha #1 receiver this season? After all, he has the size, speed and tools (like catch radius) to turn into that kind of receiver. That's why he was drafted where we took him. It's not out of the question. He's shown flashes of talent and has posted a few good games. The issue with him is consistency, and he will either get there or he won't. But it's a non-zero possibility in any case.

If Landry is pushing too hard for a ludicrous contract, and Parker becomes a stud #1, well, Parker is the more prototypical lead receiver. Landry is a possession guy. In that scenario, I'd be really tempted to roll with Parker - Stills, and hope I can get Carroo to develop or draft another possession type receiver next offseason.

A #3 receiver just isn't a priority, and can be found either in free agency or in the middle tier of the draft.

Great points. Part of it also comes down to Tannehill: can he start looking at other receivers instead of focusing almost entirely on Landry every play? In theory, if Parker and Stills both play at a high level in 2017 we should easily be able to find a good slot receiver to replace Landry at a fraction of the cost...BUT what impact will it have on Tannehill if you take away his #1 target?

And I'm not saying we can easily find a slot receiver better than Landry, but this league is filled with good slot receivers - they're relatively easy to find, and even if they're not quite as good as Landry, that's OK if Parker and Stills are balling.

by rightchea Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:07 pm

Stills did do well last year for what it is worth but he can do better. Parker isn't reliable enough to call him a #1 or #2 which will be a problem if Miami doesn't draft someone that can take his spot.

by **JMP** Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:25 am

rightchea wrote:Stills did do well last year for what it is worth but he can do better.

Stills needs to be a bigger part of the offense. He averaged under 3 catches a game last season, which is simply not enough. He's a big-play guy and the Phins have to give him more targets, especially now that he's making the big bucks. Part of that is Tannehill needs to take his eyes off Landry every now and then and look at Stills more often.

by rightchea Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:43 pm

With a better option at TE, Tannehill will have a better time hitting Stills and the rest of the WR core

by finfanatic Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:16 pm

Unless Gase works some incredible magic, I expect Tannehill to plateau this year. I do not think he is EVER going to be one of those QBs that can CARRY his team, nor even one of those QBs that makes the other players around him better.

He is essentially, a high level backup QB. But with the paucity of good QBs, even the mediocre ones are making 17 mill per!!

I think at some point, Gase is going to start pushing for a replacement.

Heck, even Ross should be pushing for a replacement IMHO.

I have not been in favor of drafting WRs in the first round for a long time. And I have not seen anything that makes me want to change my mind so far.

Landry - If the team is losing and you catch a 1st down pass and get up and act like a complete dumbarse cause you caught a pass, making the whole focus about YOU instead of the team, I have a problem with that. And JMP is correct, he is a possession receiver. A very good possession receiver, but he is not as good as he THINKS he is. I would make him an offer, but let him walk if he wants the money to fit his delusions.

by Birdmond Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:55 pm

finfanatic wrote:Unless Gase works some incredible magic, I expect Tannehill to plateau this year. I do not think he is EVER going to be one of those QBs that can CARRY his team, nor even one of those QBs that makes the other players around him better.

He is essentially, a high level backup QB. But with the paucity of good QBs, even the mediocre ones are making 17 mill per!!

I think at some point, Gase is going to start pushing for a replacement.

Heck, even Ross should be pushing for a replacement IMHO.

I have not been in favor of drafting WRs in the first round for a long time. And I have not seen anything that makes me want to change my mind so far.

Landry - If the team is losing and you catch a 1st down pass and get up and act like a complete dumbarse cause you caught a pass, making the whole focus about YOU instead of the team, I have a problem with that. And JMP is correct, he is a possession receiver. A very good possession receiver, but he is not as good as he THINKS he is. I would make him an offer, but let him walk if he wants the money to fit his delusions.

Not sure about Tannehill but there's no way I let Landry walk. I'd a least get something for him in return.

by DolFan 316 Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:01 pm

Birdmond wrote:Not sure about Tannehill but there's no way I let Landry walk. I'd a least get something for him in return.

Yes. This. cheers

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