Bengals get first pick instead of Miami

This is a interesting question that has been popping in a lot of draft wires that I have been reading. This is what one article says....

Shawn Digity wrote:But what becomes interesting is that in many mocks, the Bengals take Tua Tagovailoa with the first, and that leaves the Miami Dolphins in a liberating position.

With Tagovalioa off the board, the Dolphins have the breathing room to take the best non-QB on their board. In some cases, it could be Chase Young from Ohio State, like in Tankathon’s newest mock.

It could also be Jerry Jeudy from Alabama, Andrew Thomas from Georgia, or Jeffrey Okudah from Ohio State. I would be pleased with any of those players being on the Dolphins.

The second pick also allows some flexibility on the Dolphins’ selection of a new quarterback. Maybe Joe Burrow keeps ascending, and they take him at two, or perhaps he’s just straight-up available at 8th overall, which is the projected Dolphins-via-Steelers pick, according to Matt Miller’s newest mock.

https://phinphanatic.com/2019/10/19/joe-burrow-justin-herbert-becoming-hot-names-miami-dolphins/

I would think if Miami wasn't able to get Tua in the first round find a good WR or RB that they could build around. There is still Herbert, Formm and Burrow still available in the draft if you looking for top name players. Miami nor Flores can't afford to reaching on a player that doesn't make sense.

Last thing I want the team to do is reach on what's considered a top-name QB for this draft. Every draft has top names, and sometimes those names are Tim Couch, Brady Quinn, Jamarcus Russell, Joey Harrington, Jason Campbell, Matt Leinart, Rex Grossman (Super Bowl starting QB Rex Grossman that is), Patrick Ramsey, Kyle Boller, JP Losman, Tommy Maddox, Todd Marinovich, Jim Druckenmiller, Cade McNown, Dan McGwire, David Klingler, Todd Blackledge, Andre Ware, Rick Mirer, Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, and Josh Rosen, to name a dozen or so.

I think that the issue when it comes to getting a player. are they going to show up like Matt Ryan did his first couple of years with the Flacons or are they going to be a Ryan Leaf and basically give out their first year.

This QB class gets deeper every day. Keep an eye on Washington's Jacob Eason...he doesn't have a ton of college game experience, but he looks like the real deal and he will be moving up draft boards.

So yeah, we definitely have options...but Tua is the crown jewel of this class, and it's not close.

But if we do get the #2 pick and miss out on Tua, right now I'm taking Chase Young at 2 and one of the QBs with the Steelers' pick. My opinion could change, but that's where I'm at now.

It's still difficult for me to believe that the Bengals will finish with the worst record in the NFL. Just too much talent on that roster...they have to win at least a couple of games, no????

If I have to deal with tanking and they don't get a QB in round 1 but draft a WR or RB I'm gonna flip.

JEGnj wrote:If I have to deal with tanking and they don't get a QB in round 1 but draft a WR or RB I'm gonna flip.

Same here. If we end up with the #2 overall pick and draft a WR or RB, I'm done. Seriously.

It's still difficult for me to believe that the Bengals will finish with the worst record in the NFL. Just too much talent on that roster...they have to win at least a couple of games, no????

The Bengals played Baltimore to the wire just a short time ago, so yeah I'd be shocked if they don't win a game or two.

Same here. If we end up with the #2 overall pick and draft a WR or RB, I'm done. Seriously.

If it's not a QB in the scenario proposed, then yes it must be a BEAST pass rusher. I don't think an OT or even a cover CB is valuable enough to take that high. WR or RB? Oh hell no.

Sitting here today if we are at 2 overall and Tua goes to another team at #1, I think the right move is Burrow. I'm not a professional evaluator, but it just feels right to me after watching him this past weekend.

Compared to the Bengals, Miami has a tougher schedule. Miami do happen to play the Bengals at the end of the season but Miami isn't gonna have it easy especially if Miami is missing so many people in the secondary.

Miami is a better coached team, and it looks like they've got the younger guys buying in, which is huge. That alone should win them 2 games.

Degarmo wrote:Miami is a better coached team, and it looks like they've got the younger guys buying in, which is huge.  That alone should win them 2 games.

Now that the dust has settled and we're almost halfway through the schedule, it's refreshing to see that this coaching staff is developing too. I think people forget that even though our coaches have tons of experience overall, the HC, OC and DC have never held those particular roles before - so they are essentially "rookies", and they are learning on the job. Despite all the lopsided losses, these guys are getting better at their jobs each week, and yes, the players are starting to buy in.

I said months ago that the team's record doesn't matter this year - it's all about development. And week to week, we're seeing it happen. Again, I'm excited to see what this staff will do with an improved roster next season.

JMP wrote:

JEGnj wrote:If I have to deal with tanking and they don't get a QB in round 1 but draft a WR or RB I'm gonna flip.

Same here.  If we end up with the #2 overall pick and draft a WR or RB, I'm done.  Seriously.

Jmp, I'll believe it when I see it

Now JEGnj, I can believe...

Personally I'm leaning towards Burrow over Tua now BTW. Nobody else will do at this point. Fromm is your classic game manager (who couldn't even do that right against South Carolina) and Herbert is meh.

DolFan 316 wrote:

Personally I'm leaning towards Burrow over Tua now BTW. Nobody else will do at this point. Fromm is your classic game manager (who couldn't even do that right against South Carolina) and Herbert is meh.

The question with Burrow is, is it him or the new LSU system? And can he play in our system? I don't know those answers, but I think he may be my #2 QB at this stage. He's playing out of his mind right now. I can't wait to see him against 'bama...the 'bama D isn't very good this season, but that's such a HUGE game. I want to see how Burrow handles that pressure on a big stage.

Fromm seems to be falling compared to everyone else. Herbert seems to have everything you'd want...except he also seems to have the Tannehill "choke" factor. Jacob Eason is coming on and starting to really impress. Jordan Love looks like a developmental prospect that could be a stud in time.

No matter who we take in round 1, I wouldn't mind taking a late-round flyer on Sam Ehlinger too...that dude is the most competitive mother fucker I've ever seen! Fun to watch and makes everyone around him better.

Jalen Hurts?

Yes, you have to add Hurts to the conversation.

Hurts looks like a completely different animal in Oklahoma...which begs the same question I ask about Burrow: is it the system or the QB? I think some teams will see a lesser Lamar Jackson when they evaluate Hurts - and that could be a really good thing or a really bad thing, depending on the team. IMO you'd have to really re-do your whole offensive scheme with Hurts, and not every team will be on board with that.

Yes, system is important, because the Dolphins aren't going to be running a system that's going to fit a good deal of these guys.

To be Honest I think Jalen Hurts wasn't that bad in Alabama he just wasn't able to handle the pressure. Same with Andy Dalton. You make the playoffs 6 years in a row and you can't get pass the first round that someone that can't handle the pressure. Hurts has to be able to make the big plays on the ground and in the air. Kinda like Fitzmagic but on a consistent bases.

Reading online that a lot of people question Burrow's arm strength and velocity on his throws. I'll have to keep an eye on that as I watch him more. I haven't really keyed on him too much because I wasn't sold on him, but as he continues to dominate I am going to spend more time watching him.

Two QB I really not sold on are Justin Herbert and Jake Fromm. Even though they both played well, I seeing low first round pick/early second rounds for both of them maybe even later. but the issue is that so many teams need QB will Miami reach for one or will they figure out a way to get Tua

rightchea wrote:Two QB I really not sold on are Justin Herbert and Jake Fromm. Even though they both played well, I seeing low first round pick/early second rounds for both of them maybe even later. but the issue is that so many teams need QB will Miami reach for one or will they figure out a way to get Tua

I'm really starting to like Jacob Eason from Washington. Definitely raw because he hasn't played much, but he looks like he's got everything you want in a QB. He outplayed Herbert last week, even though Washington lost to Oregon. He will be a first rounder when all is said and done - if he decides to come out early. If he stays for his senior year and continues to improve, he will be a top 3 pick - and maybe #1 overall.

Herbert will go very high simply because of his arm. His biggest issue is he can't handle pressure, at all, but I bet a lot of coaches think they'll be able to fix that. Personally, he scares me and I'd stay away - but teams will absolutely fall in love with his post-season workouts.

I'd say Fromm is definitely dropping...not having a great season at all.

I'm starting to like Bungles take Tua, Fins take Chase Young but my fear is the Steelers pick will not be low enough for one of the other QBs and another OL with Texans.
You guys have to sell me on how to get the next QB. I still have no problem with Rosen and a rookie next season.

JEGnj wrote:I'm starting to like Bungles take Tua, Fins take Chase Young but my fear is the Steelers pick will not be low enough for one of the other QBs and another OL with Texans.
You guys have to sell me on how to get the next QB. I still have no problem with Rosen and a rookie next season.

Don't sweat it...the Phins are going to get the first pick and they are going to take Tua.

well, I think it depends on how many QBs they rank as essentially the same, and how many game changing impact DE-Rush specialists there are.

Take a stud DE that can disrupt a game for you, and take a QB later?

They need to get the QB first and worry about everything else later, but... Sometimes, these GMs types outthink theirselves when they ponder a subject too long and get all "Ponderfurcated"!!!

I still worry about Tua staying healthy in the NFL, where the best ability is AVAIL-ability!!

A constantly banged up, oft-injured QB who plays great for the few games he is able to play in, is worse than a game-manager type who is there EVERY GAME IMHO. At least you can gameplay adequately, but with a QB that gets injured easily, you are always playing "backup" gameplans.

finfanatic wrote:well, I think it depends on how many QBs they rank as essentially the same, and how many game changing impact DE-Rush specialists there are.

Take a stud DE that can disrupt a game for you, and take a QB later?

If anybody has Tua ranked the same as the other QBs in this class, they're flat-out wrong. Tua is the best QB in the class, and it really isn't close at all.

I'll take the DE if I can't get the best QB. But if I can get the top QB, I'm taking him every time.

finfanatic wrote:They need to get the QB first and worry about everything else later, but... Sometimes, these GMs types outthink theirselves when they ponder a subject too long and get all "Ponderfurcated"!!!

That is true - I think GMs (and coaches) do outthink themselves and try to make a move they think makes them look "smart". But in this case, I am 99% sure that the Phins set up this tank to draft a QB at #1.

finfanatic wrote:I still worry about Tua staying healthy in the NFL, where the best ability is AVAIL-ability!!

A constantly banged up, oft-injured QB who plays great for the few games he is able to play in, is worse than a game-manager type who is there EVERY GAME IMHO. At least you can gameplay adequately, but with a QB that gets injured easily, you are always playing "backup" gameplans.

Tua isn't "constantly banged up" or "oft-injured". So far, he's missed one game since winning the starting job. The ankle injury he had is a non-factor thanks to the surgery he just underwent. I agree that you need a reliable QB - but there's no evidence to show that Tua is not reliable.

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This game shows why I not liking Herbert. He not creating plays with his feet against a team like WSU