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Post by DolFan 316 Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 am

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/

I had three trade offers for the 3rd overall pick. The Lions offered me the 7th pick and their first next year so I said hell yeah and took it. Then I watched in horror as BOTH Devonta Smith AND Jamarr Chase were taken at #5 and 6 Shocked Shocked Shocked So I wound up having to settle for Kyle Pitts.

Then at 17 I got four more trade offers, the best being the Ravens offering me picks 27 and 58, but I rejected them all and took Gregory Rousseau over Najee Harris. Turned out I could've traded down with the Ravens and gotten Harris, who was selected at 29. Oh well. I just felt edge rusher was the bigger need since I know Van Noy is gone and I have a feeling that Aaron Jones will be signed.

What would you guys do?

EDIT: Just tried it a second time. The Lions offered me the exact same trade, and I took it again but this time Smith was available at 7 and I snatched him up Very Happy At 17 I only got one trade offer, from the Steelers to trade down 7 spots and they'd throw in *next* year's third. I rejected that and took Harris since this time around Rousseau had been taken at 16. Then I watched the Steelers snag Pitts at 24 Shocked

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Post by DolFan 316 Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:05 am

This is fun Very Happy I did it again and this time in addition to next year's first the Lions offered me pick 88 so of course I took that deal. Smith was still there at 7 so I took him. THEN...not wanting to lose out on Rousseau I traded up from 18 to 16, giving the Giants pick 88 I'd just gotten and pick 208. That might have been a *bit* much to trade up 2 spots but the way I figured it I really only lost the 208th pick since pick 88 wasn't really mine to start out with. And then I took Rousseau.

It's really easy to not notice that you can change it to the full draft though, and it defaults to just the first round every time which is slightly annoying.

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Post by mercury22nathan Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:10 am

i rejected all trades and took DeVonta Smith at 3 and then again rejected all trades and took Najee Harris at 18. i was tempted to take Pat Surtain Jr. at 18 in anticipation of moving on from X Howard in a year, but figured i would not act on a hypothetical - and the Phins drafted CB Iggy in the lower first last year.

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Post by JMP Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:11 am

I'd make a trade with the Lions any time for the #7. I am becoming firmly convinced that Smith will still be on the board at 7. Just keep those "too skinny" stories flowing!

The second pick is a much tougher decision. I've certainly been all over Harris. But lately I'm thinking it might be best to go defense there, with either Rousseau or Zaven Collins. I think Rousseau will end up going earlier - possibly much earlier - after his workouts. Collins will almost certainly be there, and he's a great fit for the Phins without all the baggage that Parsons brings. A trade down could also work, and then we can grab Harris or Etienne.

If we do go defense at 18, then I'm going RB with the first second rounder - best back available at that point, which will likely be Harris or Williams.

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Post by mercury22nathan Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:11 am

and yes, i agree that pass rusher is a very pressing need, but i am not overwhelmed by any of the pass rushers in this years draft.

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Post by white1 Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:45 am

This was interesting and a lot of fun!

First off, I traded #3 with SF for picks #12, #43 and next year 1st

I was targeting Sewell, Slater or Pitts at 12 - and I just missed out on Pitts he went 11. So I traded down again:

Trade #12 for GB 29, 62, 2022 2nd and 3rd

18 Rashad Bateman WR
29 Travis Etienne RB

Bengals trade down 36 to 38, plus CIN 2022 3rd

38 Zaven Collins LB
43 Alex Leatherwood OT
50 Rondale Moore WR
62 Javonte Williams RB

Couple of notes: Receivers went 6 Chase, 7 Waddle, Devonta Smith went 12!

Sewell and Slater were the next picks after 3 QBs went 1-2-3 (including SF who traded up to get Fields).

So, I got some beef with an OT and a LB who I think fits our scheme, and ended up doubling down on both WR and RB. Plus, I am LOADED for next season with two first round picks, two second round picks and three third rounders. If the offensive line fails to develop I can grab more linemen, or use those picks to find playmakers.
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Post by finfanatic Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:18 pm

Yeah, I have been running that draft simulator a bunch.

I cannot decide if it is better to go for the next Tyreek Hill, Who I think is Waddle, or trade down and get an extra 1st next year.

I have seen Waddle go as late as 18, but as soon as 4 or 5 too, so...

I think, at this point, the Phins have a few spots where a rookie could make huge contributions, like WR and RB, a talented multi-purpose LB like Owusu-Koramoah or Browning even, plus an Edge Rusher. After that, a rookie is going to have to unseat a starter unless the Phins just name the rookie the starter.

And really, does anyone think 10 or 12 rookies are going to make the Phins roster?

Four or five and maybe a backup or two IMHO.

So I think this year, it is important the Phins go for the IMPACT players. Those first four picks ought to be based on the projected overall impact IMO.

If they can can trade down and get some extra draft loot for next year, AND get the Impact players, I am all for it. But at some point, with a roster full of good starters, extra draft picks are just training camp fodder where you are looking to find a keeper.

As Don Shula always postulated, "Expect one loss for every rookie you have starting."




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Post by white1 Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:28 pm

This time I focused on impact players, and made a trade with CAR because I viewed that as the sweet spot: Still in top 10 while picking up the 2022 first round pick. Plus, I doubled down on EDGE instead of WR and RB like earlier:


Trade 3 and 50 to CAR for 8 39 and CAR 2022 1st round pick

At 8, I drafted DeVonta Smith

18 Najee Harris

36 Jaelen Phillips EDGE

39 Jayson Oweh EDGE

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Post by HalCHorn Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:25 pm

Here's how mine shook out.  I made a lot of trades, got a couple of Day 2 picks in the process for next year (I'm always looking to load up).  Ended up with offensive playmaker help, lots of O-line and front seven help.  Unfortunately didn't get secondary addressed:

MIA
3.

DeVonta Smith
WR Alabama
MIA
32.

Zaven Collins
LB Tulsa
trade icon
MIA
36.

Joseph Ossai
EDGE Texas
MIA
64.

Dillon Radunz
OT North Dakota State
trade icon
MIA
73.

Josh Myers
OC Ohio State
trade icon
MIA
101.

Quinn Meinerz
OC Wisconsin-Whitewater
trade icon
MIA
103.

Hamilcar Rashed Jr.
EDGE Oregon State
trade icon
MIA
123.

Chuba Hubbard
RB Oklahoma State
2022 CAR 2nd
2022 TB 3rd

Update, had to try it again. Check it this future haul, started by letting the Pats give me all of their first two days next year to move up:

26.

Travis Etienne
RB Clemson
trade icon
MIA
35.

Zaven Collins
LB Tulsa
trade icon
MIA
37.

Kadarius Toney
WR Florida
trade icon
MIA
59.

Jordan Smith
EDGE UAB
trade icon
MIA
60.

Josh Myers
OC Ohio State
trade icon
MIA
68.

Jackson Carman
OT Clemson
trade icon
MIA
133.

Jaylen Twyman
DT Pittsburgh
trade icon
MIA
140.

Caden Sterns
S Texas
trade icon
2022 NE 1st
2022 NE 2nd
2022 CLE 2nd
2022 ATL 2nd
2022 ATL 3rd
2022 PHI 3rd
2022 PIT 3rd


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Post by DolFan 316 Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:35 pm

You guys are lucky as hell to be trading down that much and still get the players you want, every time I do it those guys are taken before my next pick. Then again I'm not a big fan of trading down to begin with, if I were Grier there'd be no way I'd trade down out of the top 10 for one thing. Also, don't forget you can trade up as well.

As far as O-linemen I've drafted Creed Humphries, Leatherwood and in one draft I went ahead and took Meinerz at 81. I also had a draft where I skipped over Harris and took mah boi Kenny Gainwell later on cheers cheers cheers

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Post by DolFan 316 Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:30 am

Okay, this is my latest.

Traded down from 3 to 7 with DET for their first and third next year, and took WR DeVonta Smith (Ala).

Took EDGE Gregory Rousseau (Mia) at 18.

Took OT Alex Leatherwood (Ala) at 36.

Traded #50 to LAR for #57 and their third next year. Took RB Javonte Williams (UNC) at 57.

Took OC Quinn Meinerz (Wisc-Whitewater) at 81.

Traded picks 123 and 208 to IND for picks 127 and 166. Took S James Wiggins (Cin) at 127.

Traded #166 to PIT for #177, 217 and 225. Took WR Damonte Coxie (Mem) at 177.

Took CB Tre Brown (OU) at 217.

Took QB Shane Buechele (SMU) at 225.

And I have DETs first and third and LARs third for next year.

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Post by white1 Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:37 pm

I’ve noticed a few tends from these mocks. Seems to be Smith is always third receiver taken.

Many of us have selected guys like Leatherwood, the LB from Tulsa, Smith after trading down a few slots and I’ve seen Javonte Williams a bit also - I drafted him once.

Will be interesting if we see these players actually get drafted for the Fins
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Post by DolFan 316 Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:38 pm

I definitely have my targets I always want to draft no matter what. I can never get them all, but at least I know who I want to get Laughing

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Post by HalCHorn Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:22 am

ok, updated, 3 first round picks next year now, and help at TE, RB and WR for our quarterback:

12.

Kyle Pitts
TE Florida
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MIA
18.

Kwity Paye
EDGE Michigan
MIA
36.

Travis Etienne
RB Clemson
MIA
50.

Terrace Marshall Jr.
WR LSU
MIA
81.

Elijah Molden
CB Washington
MIA
123.

Brady Christensen
OT BYU
2022 DET 1st
2022 SF 1st
2022 SF 4th

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Post by HalCHorn Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:23 pm

Well, I take that back. How about two extra first round picks that are probably going to be in the top half of the round, while adding Harris and Bateman as the first two picks?

Yeah, this is fun. I need to stop. But I"d take this draft in a heartbeat:

MIA
23.

Najee Harris
RB Alabama
trade icon
MIA
26.

Rashod Bateman
WR Minnesota
trade icon
MIA
36.

Zaven Collins
LB Tulsa
MIA
41.

Wyatt Davis
OG Ohio State
trade icon
MIA
50.

Terrace Marshall Jr.
WR LSU
MIA
51.

Landon Dickerson
OC Alabama
trade icon
MIA
69.

Dillon Radunz
OT North Dakota State
trade icon
MIA
111.

Kellen Mond
QB Texas A&M
trade icon
MIA
138.

Chuba Hubbard
RB Oklahoma State
trade icon
MIA
179.

Tariq Thompson
S San Diego State
trade icon
MIA
194.

Elijah Mitchell
RB Louisiana
trade icon
MIA
226.

Dan Moore
OT Texas A&M
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2022 CIN 1st
2022 WAS 1st
2022 NYJ 2nd

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Post by Degarmo Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:07 pm

First run, took some risks.

MIA
15.

DeVonta Smith
WR Alabama
trade icon
MIA
18.

Rashod Bateman
WR Minnesota
MIA
36.

Jayson Oweh
EDGE Penn State
MIA
46.

Richie Grant
S UCF
trade icon
MIA
50.

Ronnie Perkins
EDGE Oklahoma
MIA
81.

Michael Carter
RB North Carolina
MIA
147.

Austin Watkins
WR UAB
trade icon
MIA
155.

Marvin Wilson
DT Florida State
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MIA
188.

Elerson Smith
EDGE Northern Iowa
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MIA
208.

Quintin Morris
TE Bowling Green
2022 NE 1st

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Post by DolFan 316 Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:21 pm

What makes me sad is that the real Fins draft isn't going to be anywhere near as good as the ones you guys just did Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

Anytime you guys want to storm team HQ I'm down, we'll just say we're Antifa members and get away with it.

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Post by finfanatic Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:46 pm

Yeah, if you are just using the same DRAFT RATINGS, you will know when to expect a player to go in the draft.

If you want a real challenge, try one of the other simulators.

https://www.pff.com/draft/nfl-mock-draft-simulator

This one has some very different rankings.  But they give you a grade at the end. I think this one has Najee Harris as a late 2nd rounder!!!

The rankings are all over the place as of now. Towards late April, they tend to coalesce as everybody gets a severe case of "groupthink" going on the draft it seems. Teams usually have their own little quirks that either mean good rankings (like the Chiefs) or they mean dingbat drafting (like when the Phins took Charles Harris over TJ Watt)!
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Post by white1 Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:16 pm

I used FF link and gave it a try. I don't know if trades were "off" but I did not get any offers.

They gave me a "B" overall, individual grades ranged from B+ to C+

3 T Penei Sewell
18 LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
36 WR Terrace Marshall Jr
50 RB Javonte Williams
81 DL Tyler Shelvin
123 G Trey Smith
202 EDGE Hamilcar Rashed Jr
208 S Tariq Thompson
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Post by white1 Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:29 pm

One more attempt, this time I took Chase at #3 - better grade A- they loved my late QB pick that one got an A+:

3 WR Jamar Chase
18 LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
35 EDGE Jaelen Phillips
50 T Alex Leatherwood
81 DL Levi Onwuzurike
123 HB Khalil Herbert
203 QB Shane Buechele
209 TE Tony Poljan

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Post by white1 Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:11 pm

Last one and this might be my favorite because I loved all of my first four picks.

Makes me think: Is Pitts the key to this draft? PFF thought it was OK - B- overall.

3 TE Kyle Pitts
18 T Rashawn Slater
35 WR Elijah Moore
50 HB Javonte Williams
81 C Creed Humphrey
123 LB Monty Rice
203 S Tariq Thompson
209 EDGE Victor Dimukeje

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Post by Degarmo Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:16 pm


12
Rashod BatemanWR • Minnesota
C

18
Rondale MooreWR • Purdue
A-

35
Mac JonesQB • Alabama
A+

44
Wyatt DavisG • Ohio State
B+

50
Landon DickersonC • Alabama
B+

71
Marvin WilsonDI • Florida State
B+

81
Michael CarterHB • North Carolina
B+

112
Quincy RocheED • Miami (FL)
B+

123
Quinn MeinerzC • Wisconsin - Whitewater
B+

203
Kylen GransonTE • SMU
B+

209
Warren JacksonWR • Colorado State
B+

Overall
Miami Dolphins
A

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Post by finfanatic Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:55 pm

At that pff site, when you are on the clock, right beside the draft a player button is another one that says trade with other teams. Click on it and then in the drop down below, click on the team and pick what they are offering and what they get from the Phins.

You can control how easy or difficult trades are with those sliders at the beginning.

There's also a pause and offer trade button you can use to try and get a trade with some other team during the draft.
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Post by finfanatic Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:00 pm

W1 - I really like Elijah Moore. He seems to really have come around after doing the whole lifting leg and peeing on Miss State thing!

Very Happy

DG - You really think the Phins are going to draft 3 WRs?? I think if we get ONE we will be lucky.

There does seem to be some very interesting D Line players that are ranked low right now, but I suspect will be drafted a lot higher. Tyler Shelvin is a beast.
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Post by white1 Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:21 pm

Oops! Did not know that about Moore - spoke too soon on loving all four top picks Smile
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