Two Thoughts Of My Own

CarsonChris wrote:Flores deserves a lot of responsibility for this game. He's been fast and loose with the coaching changes. I think the staff is terrible. O-line and offensive coordinators in particular

CarsonChris wrote:Flores deserves a lot of responsibility for this game. He's been fast and loose with the coaching changes. I think the staff is terrible. O-line and offensive coordinators in particular

finfanatic wrote:I was somewhat uneasy with the performance of the O-line last game. Given the O-line played at a poor to semi-passable performance last year, but then they started tweaking the parts that I thought had done a good job last year who would/should get better in year two...Jackson and Kindley.

And they seem to be high on Jesse Davis? He's utility O-lineman. That is all he will ever be IMO.

I was going to give the 2 OC thing a chance, but my first thought when I heard about it was the old saying about "A coach who has two QBs doesn't have a starting QB"... A team with two OCs doesn't have an OC.

And then I thought back to long ago when Jimmah had lost an OC and we all thought he was gonna go hire Ernie Zampese, but no, he promoted Kippy Brown (IIRC).... And the offense never did get better even though they had Dan Marino.

Talent and players will only get you so far, the real difference maker is the coaching IMO. Having the team prepared physically and psychologically to play a much better team is a big job but the Bills AINT 35-0 better than the Phins!!. No way, no how the Phins should have been beaten like crippled rented mules in this game IMHO.

This has coaching fail written all over it at first glance.

Dolphins' major flaws on display

The reasons why I was a Dolphins skeptic continue to resonate Sunday after Sunday. The offensive line has major issues in personnel, they are shaky in protections and don't seem to have the answers when the most probing questions are asked by a defense. It's, frankly, a tough watch.

People like to point fingers at Tua, and his health, but playing behind this unit would be a problem for anyone. And now that he might miss a few games, get ready for the real problems to start. How can a team throw the ball 44 times and not break 150 yards passing? In this day and age? The Dolphins somehow averages 3.1 yards per play Sunday against a Bills defense that ain't the '85 Bears.

Yeah, maybe having two offensive coordinators wasn't so smart after all.

Miami found a way to win ugly at New England, but it's hard to envision this offense going on a heater, and even that victory was more defensive in spirit than anything else. It's early, but there is reason for concern. Have to wonder if Brian Flores, and his always itchy trigger finger, already has some assistant coach (or PR person, or assorted underling) in his sights.

CarsonChris wrote:At this point I have no answers for where we go next. Nothing I've seen on the offensive side of the ball resembles an NFL offense. I hope we win the 2 jets games because those are the only games I see we have the personnel to beat.

DolFan 316 wrote:I'm not going to paste Jmp's list again, but I noticed that none of the teams on it have two offensive coordinators listed on it, which is what I asked. I did not see a single team with co offensive coordinators which is the official listing of Godsey and Studesville. Meaning two men are attempting to do the same job, meaning it's apparently too hard for either of them to do alone.

Not to mention at least half those teams will have mediocre at best offenses, because there are 19 teams listed. Also, at least some of those positions are a joke (passing game specialist for the Ravens??? Really???), or specifically designed for "diversity" purposes. No more needs to be said about that.

If Godsey handled the passing and Studesville handled the running, I could live with that at least until the end of this season. But we don't know what each of them handles and sometimes I don't think they do either.

CarsonChris wrote:At this point I have no answers for where we go next. Nothing I've seen on the offensive side of the ball resembles an NFL offense. I hope we win the 2 jets games because those are the only games I see we have the personnel to beat.

JMP wrote:Again, it's just labels...you can call them whatever you want - the bottom line is, there are 20 NFL teams with multiple coordinators.  The Dolphins use the term "co-coordinator" - that's the only difference.

CarsonChris wrote:That wasn't an ordinary loss. That was the type of beat down that changes a teams projection. Raiders are clicking on offense. Their defense is pretty good also.  As a fan I have no confidence this team has the right mix.

DolFan 316 wrote:

JMP wrote:Again, it's just labels...you can call them whatever you want - the bottom line is, there are 20 NFL teams with multiple coordinators.  The Dolphins use the term "co-coordinator" - that's the only difference.

No. The difference is, those other teams at least have enough sense to have each guy handle a different aspect of the offense, instead of having them both try to do the same exact job with predictably disastrous results.

You completely failed to cite any examples of any great offense with official co-OCs, past or present. Defenses have a coordinator and position coaches for each level as well as sometimes further breaking it down according to interior/exterior D-line, inside, outside LBs and safeties, corners, but that doesn't mean those guys are all co-DCs.