TE a problem on both side of ball
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TE a problem on both side of ball
some depressing observations regarding the Phins' lack of use of the TE position...
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/11/exploring-dolphins-tight-end-conundrum-on-offense-and-defense-more-on-big-recruiting-day-for-um.html
so it appears to be the result of having poor play at OT keeping the TEs in to block, Lazor not calling plays for the TE (despite Campbell's orders) and them not making the catch when they are thrown to (assuming the pass is accurate).
and if the lack of use of the TE isn't bad enough...
and this has been going on for years over the course of several regimes. why can't the Phins figure out how to cover the TE? i mean, can't they watch the tape of what successful (hell, how about middle of the road) teams do to cover the TE and figure it out?
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/11/exploring-dolphins-tight-end-conundrum-on-offense-and-defense-more-on-big-recruiting-day-for-um.html
Cameron, who caught 80 passes for 917 yards for Cleveland two years ago, is on pace for 37 for 476 yards. He ranks 26th among tight ends in catches and caught one pass for five yards in each of the past two games.
And this is troubling: Cameron is catching a lower percentage of his targets (44.7 percent, 21 for 47) than any other tight end in the league with a minimum of 30 targets.
Campbell said a week ago that he wanted the tight ends more involved in the passing game. But they were thrown a combined four passes against Philadelphia, with two catches for 13 yards.
So why aren’t the tight ends more of a factor in the passing game?
“No idea,” Sims said. “They need us to help out the tackles [in pass protection]. They’re asking a lot from us for that. I’m accepting my role in this offense and being patient. Jordan has accepted his role. We all know what Jordan can do. He’s a great receiver. We’re giving teams different looks.”
so it appears to be the result of having poor play at OT keeping the TEs in to block, Lazor not calling plays for the TE (despite Campbell's orders) and them not making the catch when they are thrown to (assuming the pass is accurate).
and if the lack of use of the TE isn't bad enough...
Considering their difficulties in recent years, it isn’t surprising that the Dolphins rank in the bottom five of the league in defensive metrics against tight ends.
Defensively, the Dolphins have allowed 581 receiving yards by opposing tight ends. Only five teams have allowed more. And tight end receptions against the Dolphins have averaged 13.5 yards per catch; only Jacksonville, at 13.6, is worse.
Celek had only seven receptions for 71 yards all season before steamrolling through Miami’s defense for 134 yards on four receptions.
and this has been going on for years over the course of several regimes. why can't the Phins figure out how to cover the TE? i mean, can't they watch the tape of what successful (hell, how about middle of the road) teams do to cover the TE and figure it out?
mercury22nathan- Posts : 2421
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Is Jason Witten still around? If so and you've got him on your FF team, you might win just based on his production VS the Fins alone
DolFan 316- Posts : 8376
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A big part of the problem with covering TEs is that we have the worst coverage LBs in the NFL, and the Aikens/Thomas platoon at safety is also awful in coverage. Of course, poor TE coverage was a known issue heading into the season - and has been for years - but the front office continues to ignore it.
As far as using the TE on offense, I think Lazor is just too stupid to figure it out. I mean, you sign Jordan Cameron to a huge contract, and then make him the least productive TE in the league??? Clearly, it's an issue with the scheme. And it's a huge issue, because we continue to struggle on third down and in the red zone - where TEs typically play a huge role for every team not named the Miami Dolphins.
As far as using the TE on offense, I think Lazor is just too stupid to figure it out. I mean, you sign Jordan Cameron to a huge contract, and then make him the least productive TE in the league??? Clearly, it's an issue with the scheme. And it's a huge issue, because we continue to struggle on third down and in the red zone - where TEs typically play a huge role for every team not named the Miami Dolphins.
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And just think, Cameron hasn't even suffered his annual season ending concussion yet. That's the ONLY reason his production should be this low. I figured if he only had 37 catches or so it would mean he was injured halfway through.
Lazor's a goner for sure after the season though, so I'm not even worried about that. Then again knowing this team they'll just hire someone even worse.
Lazor's a goner for sure after the season though, so I'm not even worried about that. Then again knowing this team they'll just hire someone even worse.
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Well if Tannebaum is the new GM then Miami might have a chance. for some reason I think that he will bring in some people that will take Miami into the playoffs and maybe win a game.
rightchea- Posts : 2682
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DolFan 316 wrote:And just think, Cameron hasn't even suffered his annual season ending concussion yet. That's the ONLY reason his production should be this low. I figured if he only had 37 catches or so it would mean he was injured halfway through.
Lazor's a goner for sure after the season though, so I'm not even worried about that. Then again knowing this team they'll just hire someone even worse.
Yeah, I hated the Cameron signing because I figured he'd be on IR with a concussion before the season even began. I'm glad I was wrong about that, but little did I know that he'd come to Miami and not only not produce when healthy, but not produce when healthy for the absured reason that Lazor refuses to make him a part of the gameplan. I should have known - you just can't underestimate these Dolphin coaches enough...just when you think they can't get worse, they do.
Here is Lazor's plan for red zone and third down situations:
--Completely ignore the two players that could really help us in those areas: Parker and Cameron.
--Throw the ball to Landry - and only Landry - on every single third down, preferably well short of the first down marker, and behind the line of scrimmage if possible.
How's that working out, coach?
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But Jmp, when you really think about it this plan by Lazor is actually brilliant in its own twisted sort of way. It's really hard to get a concussion when you never get thrown the ball, see? By never using him, Lazor is actually preserving Cameron's health for a full season!
DolFan 316- Posts : 8376
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Many of us have voiced displeasure in the hiring of Tannebaum in his current role overseeing football operations.
The one hope we are clinging to is the fact he did create a Jets roster that reached the AFC championship game. This is playoff success we haven't dreamed of in Miami for decades.
Logic would indicate Tannebaum has learned much since his tenure with the Jets, and we are certainly all hoping it holds here. However, the fact he threw a truckload of cash at a DT (Suh), is reason for concern.
If Tannebaum can identify a worthy candidate pool for all the open positions this offseason (namely GM and Head Coach), then select and hire the right candidates to fill the job, and the head coach can assemble a talented and qualified staff, we will be in great shape. I don't think many would argue that he is far more qualified to conduct this kind of recruiting search than Ross and the band of flunkies he assembled last year, with Ross the apex in a very murky front office structure and people like Aponte ominously hovering through the whole thing.
We'll just have to wait and see.
The one hope we are clinging to is the fact he did create a Jets roster that reached the AFC championship game. This is playoff success we haven't dreamed of in Miami for decades.
Logic would indicate Tannebaum has learned much since his tenure with the Jets, and we are certainly all hoping it holds here. However, the fact he threw a truckload of cash at a DT (Suh), is reason for concern.
If Tannebaum can identify a worthy candidate pool for all the open positions this offseason (namely GM and Head Coach), then select and hire the right candidates to fill the job, and the head coach can assemble a talented and qualified staff, we will be in great shape. I don't think many would argue that he is far more qualified to conduct this kind of recruiting search than Ross and the band of flunkies he assembled last year, with Ross the apex in a very murky front office structure and people like Aponte ominously hovering through the whole thing.
We'll just have to wait and see.
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Except that Ross and Aponte are still around to screw things up, and WILL be made an integral part of the process, because they and Tannenbaum are all just one big, happy Jets family.
And yes, I really am convinced this is all just part of a plan by these ex-Jets fans/employees to ruin the Fins from within. The plan wasn't working quickly enough for Ross's liking, too many .500 seasons when he figured this team would be the league's worst by now. So he kicked it into overdrive by hiring Tannenbaum.
I've certainly seen and heard worse conspiracy theories.
And yes, I really am convinced this is all just part of a plan by these ex-Jets fans/employees to ruin the Fins from within. The plan wasn't working quickly enough for Ross's liking, too many .500 seasons when he figured this team would be the league's worst by now. So he kicked it into overdrive by hiring Tannenbaum.
I've certainly seen and heard worse conspiracy theories.
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The plan isn't exclusively to ruin the Fins, but keep the Patriots on top.
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Degarmo wrote:The plan isn't exclusively to ruin the Fins, but keep the Patriots on top.
I thought about that, but the Treacherous Trio isn't smart enough to even realize that's what they're ultimately doing and as Jets saboteurs they wouldn't want that anyway.
Besides, that part's being taken care of by other people.
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DolFan 316 wrote:But Jmp, when you really think about it this plan by Lazor is actually brilliant in its own twisted sort of way. It's really hard to get a concussion when you never get thrown the ball, see? By never using him, Lazor is actually preserving Cameron's health for a full season!
You know, that's a good point! LOL
Either way, with Cameron's cap hit at $9.5 million next season, it's unlikely he'll be a Dolphin for long.
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Well, with Cameron, it is Tannehill's inaccuracy at work, and Tannehill's inability to read the defense IMHO.
With Sims, he stinks as a pass catcher IMO.
Given Tannehill's inconsistencies, and Lazor's sometimes goofy play-calling, it is a wonder any of the skill position players have good stats IMO.
With Sims, he stinks as a pass catcher IMO.
Given Tannehill's inconsistencies, and Lazor's sometimes goofy play-calling, it is a wonder any of the skill position players have good stats IMO.
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Someone tell me again why 25 million over several years was too much for Clay, but Cameron was great for 2 years at $15 million?
Following the beat writers, Cameron is not playing healthy other. He has a hamstring problem that is limiting how he would typically be used.
Following the beat writers, Cameron is not playing healthy other. He has a hamstring problem that is limiting how he would typically be used.
white1- Posts : 3745
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I agree with that sentiment also, W1.
But then again, the "braintrust" thought the money was better spent getting a DT who costs a fortune, but would improve the defense all by himself!!!
LMAO!!!
Again, "braintrust" is just what we call them, not an indicator of...you know....their brains.!!
But then again, the "braintrust" thought the money was better spent getting a DT who costs a fortune, but would improve the defense all by himself!!!
LMAO!!!
Again, "braintrust" is just what we call them, not an indicator of...you know....their brains.!!
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Sims showed some pass-catching ability last season, but this season he was sidelined with that concussion for a couple of days and he's also being used primarily as a blocker - and he's failed miserably with most of the few pass-catching opportunities he's had.
Cameron is hurt, not playing well, and has not been used as a primary target.
To sum it up, TE is just another huge problem area on a team filled with huge problem areas.
Cameron is hurt, not playing well, and has not been used as a primary target.
To sum it up, TE is just another huge problem area on a team filled with huge problem areas.
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