Trade for a running back?

white1 wrote:I am totally fine with bringing both back, it's a good pair.  You've basically got 1a and 1b and the starter will be decided by matchup against the defense we face.

Like I said.  I'd prefer we use the picks and cap space where it will count most.  This is the approach I would take at RB as well.  Offensive line, linebacker, TE are all more important to the roster IMO.

Problem is, they're declaring to the rest of the NFL that the running game won't be any better than last season. If Mostert's age and injury-proneness manifest themselves in any meaningful way it will be worse. I get saving money for elsewhere but let's be real about this. Drafting RBs in the 7th round every year is not the way to go about improving things either.

while re-signing the same guys is fine, i just don't believe this solves the problem at RB.  yes, the OL is a big piece of the puzzle, but Mostert and Wilson are fine secondary pieces in the running game, but neither is or should be the primary threat.  this only works if Miami also drafts a RB to develop for eventually (by mid-season) assuming the main role.  don't believe me, just ask Kyle Shanahan - who didn't seem all to concerned with keeping either of these guys around and didn't make either the focus of his offense.

mercury22nathan wrote:while re-signing the same guys is fine, i just (don't) believe this solves the problem at RB.  yes, the OL is a big piece of the puzzle, but Mostert and Wilson are fine secondary pieces in the running game, but neither is or should be the primary threat.  this only works if Miami also drafts a RB to develop for eventually (by mid-season) assuming the main role.  don't believe me, just ask Kyle Shanahan - who didn't seem all to concerned with keeping either of these guys around and didn't make either the focus of his offense.

Thank you. Just...thank you.

I never do this but I inserted the word don't in there because I know you meant to type it.

I look at it this way...we have two very good veteran RBs that know the offense as well as anyone, and both routinely average somewhere between 4.5 and 5.0 yards per carry. Are they superstars? No. But in this offense, as much as I might like one, we don't need a superstar back. Mostert and Wilson are ideal backs in this offense.

What we do need - and it hasn't happened yet this offseason - is to improve the OL. Not just starters, but depth too. Get better play at LG and RT, as well as a blocking TE, and we'll be running the ball just fine IMO.

That said, I'm sure we'll draft a RB at some point. Maybe we draft one early if the "right" guy falls to us, but most likely it will be a day 3 pick. I'd also keep an eye on free agency - you never know who will be available between now and June cuts.

[quote="DolFan 316"I never do this but I inserted the word don't in there because I know you meant to type it. [/quote]

no, no. thank you. you are right, i meant to include "don't" and have edited. thanks.

JMP wrote:is to improve the OL.

absolutely. but it shouldn't be an either/or. they should upgrade (or at the very least look to develop upgrades) for the RBs and the OL (Eich and Jackson in particular).

mercury22nathan wrote:

JMP wrote:is to improve the OL.

absolutely.  but it shouldn't be an either/or.  they should upgrade (or at the very least look to develop upgrades) for the RBs and the OL (Eich and Jackson in particular).

I think the idea is that by improving the run blocking (OL and TE), Mostert and Wilson are good enough to win with. And I'd agree with that.

But who knows...the Dolphins may very well draft a RB high. The cheap, short contracts Mostert and Wilson don't prevent that.

Anybody remember my druthers from a post awhile back....

FF wrote:My druthers would be
A) Sign Mostert or Wilson - Get Achane or Spears in the draft or maybe even Vaughn as a KR/PR/change of pace back
b) Draft Achane or Spears and then bring in some undrafted (bigger) rookie RBs to fill out the RB position or even a journeyman RB or two
C) Go for one of the big name RBs early on in the draft (I think this is unlikely, but we haven't seen Grier draft for McD much)
D) Trade for a big name RB

I think we are seeing the Phins going with Option A).

They have the three RBs and they know what they have. Improve the Oline and we should see the rushing attack improve even if it is just these three. As DF316 says, just by running more they could improve the rushing attack.

But if they add a change of pace or difference maker to the RB room... An Achane, a Spears, a Zach Evans or further down... speedy guys like Eric Gray or Chase Brown.

I DOUBT... Grier will go for a RB early, but who knows? If Gibbs falls and he is the highest rated player left, would McD and staff force Grier to go that route.

Great post, FF! We're not always on the same page, but this time we are in sync!

The entire band is back together! Phins sign Gaskin to a 1 year deal!

I'm happy with Mostert and Wilson. No problem with Ahmed for depth and knowledge.
Gaskin has not shown anything special. Would've let him walk.

JEGnj wrote:I'm happy with Mostert and Wilson. No problem with Ahmed for depth and knowledge.
Gaskin has not shown anything special. Would've let him walk.

Yeah, I think Gaskin is just a camp body at this point. I don't see him on the final roster. Maybe he makes the practice squad. For now, he's an experienced back that knows the offense.

I am surprised they re-signed Gaskin. He's a good dependable RB but nothing special.

I do hope they get one of those speedy RBs or maybe one of those KR/PR specialist Hal was pointing out.

It would be just absolutely wonderful if the Phins had a KR/PR that teams were afraid to kick to!

Grier always takes this general approach. He will make sure the roster is stocked with veterans Before the draft. That way he doesn’t have to reach for a need position he can take best player approach.

Recall how this works in reverse. Everyone knew we were drafting Vernon Carey under wannstedt because we had no viable RT. I think the ravens bullied us into trading up a spot

finfanatic wrote:
It would be just absolutely wonderful if the Phins had a KR/PR that teams were afraid to kick to!

Well, we signed Berrios - a damn good returner. Very happy with the signing, he can be a difference-maker on special teams.

if the Phins are gonna run it back with same running backs (see what i did there), i hope they at least use one of their picks on some new RB blood. it would appear they are resigned to using one of the lower round picks - and if so, i'd like to see a 6th or 7th used on Tulsa's Deneric Prince. i think he's the closest thing to this year's Isiah Pacheco.

mercury22nathan wrote:if the Phins are gonna run it back with same running backs (see what i did there), i hope they at least use one of their picks on some new RB blood.  it would appear they are resigned to using one of the lower round picks - and if so, i'd like to see a 6th or 7th used on Tulsa's Deneric Prince.  i think he's the closest thing to this year's Isiah Pacheco.

The good news is, the Phins are setup to do literally anything at RB. They can stand pat, with two solid veterans that know the offense well, they could draft a back at any point in the draft, or they can add a free agent. The contracts that the current 4 backs signed allow the Phins flexibility to do whatever they want at the position. Smart planning. And they've done the same thing at TE. OL is next!