Is it time to start Tua?

JMP's game thoughts thread started creeping in this direction, but i figured i would start the official, "Is it time to start Tua" thread.

It’s time for the Dolphins to push Tua Tagovailoa into the lineup

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article246226895.html

Armando's already there.

me, i'm not there yet. i say we give Fitz this out west trip (49ers and Broncos) and if the Phins return 0-2, then Tua should get the home start against the Chargers.

what say you?

THis is starting to remind me a little of Woodley-Marino in '83. Just a little.

Can the little tyke beat out the veteran?

JMP wrote:I was talking about that with my brother today.  He is absolutely livid that Tua isn't starting yet.  I brought up Mahomes and Rodgers, and then I hit him with Marino!  Dan didn't see the field till week 5 and got his first start week 6.

Actually...Marino had the same number of TD passes as Woodley through five games (3) even though he wasn't starting at that point

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00/gamelog/1983/

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WoodDa00/gamelog/1983/

Mahomes sat his entire rookie year behind Alex Smith. Rodgers sat for 3(!) behind Favre.

If I recall, Carson Palmer and Culpepper also sat and learned during their respective rookie seasons.

I'd like for the O-line to be in place and jelling before Tua is out there. I don't see him sitting the entire season though.

This is a loaded question only because of where he is drafted and the pandemic. The crappy part is that we aren't really into a win now season.

We have new defensive players, we have a new coordinator on both sides. Putting Tua in now will not put this team over the top. We cant even play prevent with less than a minute to go in he half. How is Tua going in gonna stop that?

Lets not for get that defensive schemes shift because he is a lefty. The Left tackle foundation now has to be a Right Tackle. Do we have a RT thats of the same Caliber as Austin Jackson? I highly doubt it. I am born and raised in Hawaii, no one in the world wants to see Tua play more than me. Trust me. But his opportunity doesnt go away no matter what. If the coaching staff's responsibility is to put players in the right position to succeed than shouldn't it be a no brainer to hand him the keys when its the right situation? I am no in love with Fitz at QB but in the end we are better off this year than we were last year. we are 1-3 not 0-4.

We gotta stick to the plan, and my plan is to let him play but not start. let him play in blow out games. Let him experience 1 Live NFL down. Let him get his legs under him. Let him take a hit against the 53rd guy on the roster as opposed to the top DE in the league. But let him play. Let him work his way. You can find ways to get him in. Fitz already knows that his days are numbered, we don't have to count by the hour if you know what I mean. Patience would be my approach.

wow, even for Armando this is some pretty shoddy thinking. he's trying to make the case (even before taking a snap) and imply that Tua is a bust...

Tagovailoa has so far been unable to beat out Fitzpatrick even though Miami’s veteran has been wildly inconsistent.

And make no mistake the Dolphins say they are making their quarterback decision in favor of Fitzpatrick based on which quarterback they believe is better.

That is a statement as much about Tagovailoa as Fitzpatrick.

Because so far the player selected No. 5 in the draft has been unable to beat out a career journeyman playing inconsistently.

The Dolphins, who study tape of their practices over and over to correct mistakes, have viewed those closed-door sessions for weeks and decided Tagovailoa isn’t ready to start. And Fitzpatrick, who has struggled in actual games, remains their better option.

The point is the team after two games last year felt more comfortable starting Rosen than it does with Tagovailoa now after four games. And Rosen wasn’t even good.

So what is Tagovailoa?

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article246280925.html

i know, i know, he can't actually believe this. i think he has an over-inflated opinion of just how much weight his word carries in the Phins HQ (its none, actually). but i think he believes he can use some sort of reverse psychology on the Phins to "prove" him wrong by inserting Tua into the lineup to show he's not a bust.

I’m still sticking to Tua being a bust in year 3. 1 year on the bench, 1 year where he gets labeled a 1st year learning starter, year 3 failed draft pick. I’m still sticking with Hebert should have been the pick.

Tyrod is looking for a new starting gig.

Tyrod Taylor is a waste of time.

This year is nothing but development.  

A good coach will not rush anything at all.

If Tua's ready, he'll play.  If he's not ready, he won't.  If he's ready and the coach thinks the line isn't ready, no reason to David Carr him at all.  Fitzpatrick is what he is, and we all know what he is, and we all SHOULD have known this going in.

I know people are desperate to see what we have, and if he's ready to go, then play him, but if he's not, then he's not.  This is an odd season, and as much as preseason sucks ass, it is important in the development of a rookie to get those extra snaps and confidence.  Tua hasn't gotten any of that, so he's still behind.  He's not installing the game plan like Fitz does.  He's not getting most of the first-team snaps in practice, and with the CBA limiting practices to once a millennium that slows development even more.

This is certainly a case of patience wins.  I would not be surprised to see Tua sit the entire season, and quite frankly, I'm fine with that.  This is an asterisk year if I've ever seen one anyway.

Baker Mayfield.........and all that talent on offense...........nuff said

I'm really stuck on this. I want them to do what is right for the team and Tua but damn I want to see the kids play and if he has it.