Dolphins running game

finskev wrote:Looks like Fournette would like to come on down and Play in Miami.

Interesting. If we get the Fournette that is motivated and in shape, I'm in. But I want no part of the lazy, out of shape Fournette! Its kind of a roll of the dice with him.

I don't care if it is Zeke, Playoff Lenny, or Cook - I am of the opinion that we need another back. Cook is obviously my preference, but I'd take any of the them at the right price. We need help with short yardage, and we also need another experienced back to go with the rookie and two oft-injured vets we currently have.

Fortunately, the Phins don't need to be in a hurry. They can sit back and let the market play out. And if it turns out that they don't sign another back, that's OK too - we can move forward with what we have even if it isn't ideal.

Im with 316.  Im 99% sure I dont want Dalvin Cook.  I think Mostert and Wilson with Achane developing will work.  We have to many offensive weapons and not enough balls.  

We should pay Seiler and Wilkins and stop all the bullshit.  

Tua and Waddle come next.  Its really rare that Superstar RB's change teams and thrive after signing a big contract with another team.

We should pay Seiler and Wilkins and stop all the bullshit.

Tua and Waddle come next. Its really rare that Superstar RB's change teams and thrive after signing a big contract with another team.

All these players leave 100% more of a problem on this team if they are not here. That, vs "upgrading" the RB room seems to be a no-brainer.

With that said, as many here, I am starting to realize the salary cap is not "real". It's mostly used by the owners who DONT WANT to spend the max on their team. Ross isn't one of them. He will open the checkbook anytime the team asks.

More than likely, Cook and his agent are realizing the limits of what teams will pay Cook. And they are disappointed, just like Saquon Barkley and many other backs.

I'm fine if we get Cook, and would guess we will trade one of our backs in the near term (before trade deadline).

But, I think we really need to lock up BOTH Sieler and Wilkins. They are a big piece of our run defense, and with our thin LB corps we need strength up front.

Umix10 wrote:Im with 316.  Im 99% sure I dont want Dalvin Cook.  I think Mostert and Wilson with Achane developing will work.  We have to many offensive weapons and not enough balls.

I hear not having enough balls is a huge problem with millennial males. (Rim shot.)

But seriously, it's not another RB this team needs, it's another WR. Have you SEEN the depth chart behind Waddle and Hill? Hell, Chosen Freaking Anderson (God I hate that name) looks like a Hall Of Famer compared to the pathetic parade of has-beens and never-weres consisting of his "competition". If Waddle OR Hill ever get hurt this team's more screwed than a pre-2020 porn star!

We should pay Seiler and Wilkins and stop all the bullshit.

Also, so Connor Williams can stop his SJW act and start doing the job he's getting paid for. Another thing millennial males have in common. See how I manage to tie it all back together in a neat little bow like that? It's a skill, fellas  

Also, I'd even rather have Cook than Fournette

Umix10 wrote:

We should pay Seiler and Wilkins and stop all the bullshit.  

We can pay everyone and still improve the RB room by adding Cook/Fournette. The salary cap is always flexible.

The Dolphins have made an offer to free agent running back Dalvin Cook, but he’s holding off on a decision for now, a source close to the situation told The Miami Herald.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article276812961.html

so the Phins have officially made an offer to Cook, but he said, "nah, i'm good for now." Cook has apparently received a few offers but still hasn't received one that meets his current asking price so he's gonna wait a little longer.

Clearly the league still thinks highly of Cook, but still, there's only so much anyone will pay a RB.  That's just life in today's NFL.

I read that he has up to six teams interested, and yes, at least a couple offers already on the table.  He *might* even be thinking of waiting until August to decide.  That way he can skip the grind of camp, for the most part, and if some team suffers a serious injury to their starting RB - they will probably outbid all offers currently on the table.

I'm coming around on Cook.  I would love to see the Fins get him.  Our offense will be scary, and given the depth on defense (especially ILB and safety), we'll probably still need lots of firepower to win games against the better teams on our schedule.

mercury22nathan wrote:

The Dolphins have made an offer to free agent running back Dalvin Cook, but he’s holding off on a decision for now, a source close to the situation told The Miami Herald.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article276812961.html

so the Phins have officially made an offer to Cook, but he said, "nah, i'm good for now."  Cook has apparently received a few offers but still hasn't received one that meets his current asking price so he's gonna wait a little longer.

I'm actually enjoying how foolish the "Cook's just waiting to be treleased so he can sign with Miami!" crowd is looking now way more than I should.

Also, I'm rooting for Cook NOT to be signed by this team more than ever. That is all. He's not the missing piece to a title no matter what he and most of this team's fanbase thinks.

Cook is trying to get the most money possible, and it is obvious that no team is willing to pay what he's hoping for. He has no reason to hurry, so my guess is he'll wait it out and hope for better offers. In the end, I think he ends up signing some time in mid-late July for a lot less $$ than he wanted. I think the Phins are very much in the mix, but who knows where he will actually end up.

I do think Cook is a missing piece to a title for the Phins...not the missing piece, but a missing piece for sure. He's a dynamic, explosive player that can run, catch and block. He's one of the top backs in the league and instantly makes this already-potent offense even better, providing an element to the run game that we simply do not have right now: a back that must be accounted for on every play. The opposing defense wants to load up on DBs and cover Hill/Waddle? OK, Cook will feast. The opposing D wants to load the box and stop Cook? OK, Tua and Hill/Waddle will feast. Cook is what we need to take this offense to another level. Bring 'im in, Grier!

I agree with Umix and W1. I wouldn't pony up big bucks for any RB. Especially a guy who will take carries and chances away from Achane.

Pay the guys who are showing they can play and want to play. Wilkins needs to be re-upped and then Seiler.
And if Phillips is going to have the breakout season some are predicting, it might not hurt to see if he is amenable to an extension which mayhap save the Phins tens of millions??

I am also looking at the WR room as DF316 points out, and it is not exactly "good" behind Hill and Waddle.
But then again... who do you want to throw the ball to more, Hill, Waddle or anyone else?

I still say the Oline is probably... probably... gonna be the reason the Phins fall short again.

HA!!! PREACH AWN, FF!!!

I don't want Cook and this team doesn't need him, especially not with his mercenary attitude. Let him destroy some other team's locker room chemistry, I say!!!

Also, Grier should be fired if he doesn't extend Wilkins within the next 2 months. That's just criminal negligence right there.

DolFan 316 wrote:[b][size=24]not with his mercenary attitude.

You mean wanting to get as much money as possible? Isn't that what every professional athlete does - and should do?

JMP wrote:You mean wanting to get as much money as possible?  Isn't that what every professional athlete does - and should do?

And how many teams full of those players actually win anything of note, hmmm?

At the very least, this narrative of "Cook really wants to be a Dolphin!" has been shattered. He doesn't really want to be anything except paid much more than he's worth.

DolFan 316 wrote:

And how many teams full of those players actually win anything of note, hmmm?

Every team has players with very high contracts, and every team has players that are overpaid. I suppose that some team could field a roster made up of low-salaried no-name players, but that didn't work out too well for the 2019 Miami Dolphins!

DolFan 316 wrote:At the very least, this narrative of "Cook really wants to be a Dolphin!" has been shattered. He doesn't really want to be anything except paid much more than he's worth.

So I guess that makes him a professional athlete! LOL Seriously, every single player wants to get paid as much as possible.

Myself, I agree that Wilkins and Sieler should be priorities. Sieler has been bringing the value for 3 straight years now and deserves a raise.

HalCHorn wrote:I agree that Wilkins and Sieler should be priorities.

Absolutely. But my guess is that Cook's contract would have no bearing on deals with Wilkins and Sieler.

well, well, well. now we know the real reason Cook isn't on a team just yet...

The revelation came in a now-sealed filing by Gracelyn Trimble’s attorney. The document was filed in opposition to Cook’s request to bar testimony at trial of his cash settlement offers of $800,000 and then $1 million.

Cook’s initial offer of $800,000 came with a requirement that Trimble sign a sworn affidavit denying abuse claims, the document said. But Trimble has already testified under oath that Cook physically abused her. The $1 million offer required Trimble to send a letter — not sworn testimony — to the NFL absolving Cook of wrongdoing.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-dalvin-cook-offered-ex-213824341.html

what is it with these NFL RBs that they can't seem to keep themselves from beating women?

Seems like the Cook allegation stem from an old incident, so I doubt it changes anything for him in free agency:

Luis D. Sung
@LuisDSung

So it looks like Dalvin Cook may not be in as much trouble as we thought. These allegations came up a few years back and Cook was able to prove it was bogus then, as @ProFootballTalk mentioned.

One can only wonder why these are getting brought back up in discussion now.
10:51 AM · Jul 21, 2023

MLFootball
@_MLFootball
Court filings show that Dalvin Cook has proven already that both the accuser and her attorneys have lied as well and his defamation claims against them will proceed to trial.

These are the same allegations from 3 years ago that Cook has a punitive damage defamation claim against the accuser and her attorneys. Cook has been seeing an unprecedented amount of legal success to date in this situation as @ProFootballTalk said.

10:45 AM · Jul 21, 2023

MLFootball
@_MLFootball

I’m told the Dalvin Cook settlement offer is not true and written by the same reporter who was proven to have lied about Dalvin Cook in court documents in the past.

Cook is currently in Minnesota for his annual football and cheer camp that is completely sold out.

10:32 AM · Jul 21, 2023

Women making false accusations about men in the 2010s and beyond? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say!

BTW has Matt Ariaza been signed by anybody yet? You remember him, right? The guy whose accuser lied so blatantly that prosecutors dropped the case before it even went to court because even THEY knew it was a waste of time? But hey, if criminal prosecutors say there's no possible way a defendant could've committed a crime, what do they know? It's not like they're experts on determining that sort of thing like random people on social media are!

I still say Cook shouldn't be signed BTW. And now I'm convinced that if he does sign with this team all of a sudden the same media who either ignored what Watson did or even cheered him on will suddenly become white knights and insist this entire team is misogynistic. If any other team signs Cook then it'll never even be mentioned again of course.

Last I heard, the Jets worked out Matt Ariaza awhile back but didn't sign him.

The Cook situation now is apparently a personal injury case against him, and both Cook and the woman have filed lawsuits against each other. The woman's lawyers leaked all this classified info about the case, so it wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing gets tossed out of court. It's a mess, but doesn't seem like anything the NFL would care about IMO.

I'm still on-board with signing Cook at the right price, meaning no more than $4 million and hopefully less. The RB market is pretty much non-existent so I doubt he gets more than that. Ultimately, I think he stays with the Vikes for a year but who knows?

If THIS guy doesn't get any league punishment then neither should Cook OR Hill. Just sayin'.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/07/assault-charge-against-titans-olb-rashad-weaver-dropped

DolFan 316 wrote:If THIS guy doesn't get any league punishment then neither should Cook OR Hill. Just sayin'.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/07/assault-charge-against-titans-olb-rashad-weaver-dropped

especially with this little diddy in his corner...

...the player reportedly told an officer on the scene that he had no problem hitting a female if she needed it.

JMP wrote:Ultimately, I think he stays with the Vikes for a year but who knows?

you might be onto something here. funny how Dalvin has all of a sudden changed his tune on how be feels about Minnesota...

“I love it here. This place means lot to me and my family,” Cook said. “They gave me and my family a great opportunity in life. I got drafted here, so they gave me an opportunity at my dream and I appreciate them for everything [the Vikings] did for me and my family.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/dalvin-cook-says-time-patient-084412116.html

maybe this was all just about allowing Dalvin to dip his toes in the FA waters to see if he could match what the Vikings had on the table for him.

It's possible the Vikings did just that.

In fact, I could argue the Giants should not have tagged Barkley, and the Raiders should not have tagged Jacobs. Let the market set their price, make a solid offer and offer to match. You avoid holdouts and we all no that NO team is going to "break the bank" for a RB, so there's very little risk. If someone does make an insane offer, you get the compensatory pick next year.

It would be utterly hilarious to me if, after all this, Cook simply re-signed with the Vikings and left all the "Cook's coming to Miami for sure, he said he wants to!" crowd looking like fools and tools