No schedule talk?

by Birdmond Fri 21 Apr 2017, 6:33 pm

All I know is 4 prime time games sucks. I hate staying up!

by JEGnj Fri 21 Apr 2017, 10:38 pm

Only if they lose.

The last 6 games 2 each against Pats and Bills. Rather 1 at the beginning and 1 and the end.

by **JMP** Fri 21 Apr 2017, 10:52 pm

Just looking now.

Playing the Patriots twice in three weeks and the Bills twice in three weeks is just plain stupid.

Three prime time games in a row is also stupid.

Glad we have the Raiders at home, although that's probably a loss wherever it's played.

Prime time home game against the Pats could be huge.

Bye comes at a good time, sandwiched between two tough road games (at Panthers and Pats).

Week 16 road game in Kansas City could be brutal.

Overall, it looks like a very tough schedule to me at this point. Looks like we could start off 3-0 and then fall to 3-3! I'm only seeing 6 or 7 wins on this schedule, given the current state of the roster. But as we know, anything can happen.

by finskev Sat 22 Apr 2017, 5:50 pm

Crazy schedule this year but thinking about either going to the panthers or falcons game. 3 hours to Charlotte, 5 to Atlanta.

by Birdmond Sun 23 Apr 2017, 7:10 am

finskev wrote:Crazy schedule this year but thinking about either going to the panthers or falcons game. 3 hours to Charlotte, 5 to Atlanta.

I might be able to pull off the Panthers game.

by HalCHorn Sun 23 Apr 2017, 12:06 pm

Normally I would consider going to Kansas City, but December 24th? Leaning no.

Very brutal travel early with Los Angeles, New York and London on consecutive weeks.

by Degarmo Mon 24 Apr 2017, 9:00 am

Four primetime games? Awesome! Of course, I'm a California man now so that means an evening game. Still, drunk is drunk, and if they're on earlier, I'll be hitting the sauce.

by Birdmond Mon 24 Apr 2017, 9:04 am

Degarmo wrote:Four primetime games? Awesome! Of course, I'm a California man now so that means an evening game. Still, drunk is drunk, and if they're on earlier, I'll be hitting the sauce.

So Jealous.

by Degarmo Mon 24 Apr 2017, 9:09 am

Birdmond wrote:
Degarmo wrote:Four primetime games? Awesome! Of course, I'm a California man now so that means an evening game. Still, drunk is drunk, and if they're on earlier, I'll be hitting the sauce.

So Jealous.

My wife, she's why I'm out here. She came back to Miami with me to help me care for my grandparents as they went from beating cancer to careening into Alzheimer's. Stuck it out with me there for 15 years. Kinda screwed up a lot of stuff for us financially, particularly careers and the like, but you make your choices. I had a promise to keep to my grandparents and she stuck it out. At any rate, we're up here/out here in Northern Cali, Redding - fuckin' beautiful area, tip of the north valley, every one is so nice. Anyway, as an East Coast guy, I hate the fact that games are on at 10:00 in the god-damn morning.

However, night games coming on in the evening are just peachy Smile

by white1 Mon 24 Apr 2017, 11:25 am

I live in ATL, going to that one. New stadium too!

by white1 Mon 24 Apr 2017, 11:26 am

Full disclosure, last game I went to in ATL was Jimmy Johnson led Fins vs Dan Reeves Falcons. We got our butts totally kicked. I think Madison was ejected from that game he was so frustrated.

by finfanatic Mon 24 Apr 2017, 12:48 pm

Well, I gotta say, this looks like a fairly difficult schedule, even if it wasn't a scroogied up scheduling mess!!!

I have to side with DF316 on this, I think he is right: somebody in the NFL office HATES the Phins!

The heat and humidity advantage the Phins used to have by playing games early in the season at home seems to have been DROPPED entirely!

At least the BYE is not in week three or four or five again.

The team could be improved and still have a worse record it looks like to me.

by white1 Mon 24 Apr 2017, 2:12 pm

So hard to gauge a schedule until the season starts. Some teams you think are great turn out to be bad, and the opposite is also true.

Right now, on paper, and given the travel and the opponents, yeah it looks much tougher than last season.

I don't know how you guys feel, but personally with Gase I have all the confidence our offense continues to improve. My big question, will we field a decent defense? Right now we've added a run stopping end and an aging Timmons at LB, nothing else has really changed except swap out the coordinator.... I guess you could consider a full season of X Howard an upgrade, but he'll still be learning the NFL game too.

We're weak at Safety next to Jones, weak at LB, and we still have only one guy (Suh) at defensive tackle. And 3 starting caliber ends - last year you could argue going in we had 4, until we found out Mario was totally washed up.

by **JMP** Mon 24 Apr 2017, 2:47 pm

white1 wrote:
I don't know how you guys feel, but personally with Gase I have all the confidence our offense continues to improve. My big question, will we field a decent defense? Right now we've added a run stopping end and an aging Timmons at LB, nothing else has really changed except swap out the coordinator.... I guess you could consider a full season of X Howard an upgrade, but he'll still be learning the NFL game too.

I'm not sold on Gase at all yet. The 2016 offense still struggled in many areas, finishing near the bottom of the league in total 1st downs, converted 3rd downs, and yards per game, and was middle of the pack in points scored. And, the running game was non-existent for much of the season, even with Ajayi's 200-yard games. The 2017 offensive roster at this point looks exactly the same as the 2016 versions...except we've gotten worse at guard and Tannehill is coming off a major knee injury (oh, and we added a TE that hasn't been good in years and is always hurt). It's arguable whether Tannehill even improved all that much before the injury...sure, he was more confident and his deep ball was better, but overall he didn't exactly light up the league and his numbers weren't all that different from the year before. Most importantly - our offense completely shut down whenever we played a good team. So, I'm not ready to jump on the Gase bandwagon just yet. He's got a lot of work to do, and the offense is not even close to being a powerhouse at this point.

And yeah, I expect the defense to suck again too. Too many band-aids this offseason...that's not gonna be enough.

by Degarmo Tue 25 Apr 2017, 9:22 am

No draft yet, but no free safety, linebackers are weak as hell, corners are okay to meh with some potential in there.

Tannehill better become Marino, because our defense is looking like mid-80s.

by DolFan 316 Tue 25 Apr 2017, 6:08 pm

finfanatic wrote:I have to side with DF316 on this, I think he is right: somebody in the NFL office HATES the Phins!

FINALLY others have discovered the ugly truth!!!

BTW I'm still not over that ridiculous Monday/Sunday/Saturday thing late in the '01 season. And then when that didn't keep the Fins out of the playoffs the NFL went and did it AGAIN in '02!!! Evil or Very Mad

by DolFan 316 Tue 25 Apr 2017, 6:15 pm

Degarmo wrote:No draft yet, but no free safety, linebackers are weak as hell, corners are okay to meh with some potential in there.

Tannehill better become Marino, because our defense is looking like mid-80s.

Funny you should say that, because the recent Ds are right up there with those terribad mid-late 80s Ds in terms of yards and points allowed. Last year's D set the franchise record for most yards allowed in fact.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1966&year_max=2016&game_type=R&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&temperature_gtlt=lt&team_id=mia&team_conf_id=All+Conferences&team_div_id=All+Divisions&opp_conf_id=All+Conferences&opp_div_id=All+Divisions&team_off_scheme=Any+Scheme&team_def_align=Any+Alignment&opp_off_scheme=Any+Scheme&opp_def_align=Any+Alignment&c1stat=points_opp&c1comp=gt&c1val=370&c2stat=choose&c2comp=gt&c3stat=choose&c3comp=gt&c4stat=choose&c4comp=gt&c5comp=choose&c5gtlt=lt&c6mult=1.0&c6comp=choose&order_by=points_opp

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1966&year_max=2016&game_type=R&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&temperature_gtlt=lt&team_id=mia&team_conf_id=All+Conferences&team_div_id=All+Divisions&opp_conf_id=All+Conferences&opp_div_id=All+Divisions&team_off_scheme=Any+Scheme&team_def_align=Any+Alignment&opp_off_scheme=Any+Scheme&opp_def_align=Any+Alignment&c1stat=tot_yds_opp&c1comp=gt&c1val=5400&c2stat=choose&c2comp=gt&c3stat=choose&c3comp=gt&c4stat=choose&c4comp=gt&c5comp=choose&c5gtlt=lt&c6mult=1.0&c6comp=choose&order_by=tot_yds_opp

The '87 team would almost certainly be right up there with the rest in points allowed had that season been a full 16 games.

by Birdmond Wed 26 Apr 2017, 6:49 am

There's going to some high quality veterans cut after June 1st. You don't need a great D. You just can't be horrible. I'm not worried about the D. I just want this OL bullshit over with.

by DolFan 316 Wed 26 Apr 2017, 7:03 am

Birdmond wrote:There's going to some high quality veterans cut after June 1st. You don't need a great D. You just can't be horrible. I'm not worried about the D. I just want this OL bullshit over with.

Sorry Jmp, got to agree with the Birdman here. An improved O-line would actually help the D by leading to more scoring and time of possession. And besides, just one or two additions could help this line tremendously, while it's going to take a lot more players than that to help this D. I'm not saying ignore the D completely but at least get ONE area of the team fixed in the draft.

It's just a damn shame this scouting staff is completely unable to identify O-line talent after the first round. That to me has been the Fins' single biggest problem for the past 20 years at least.

by **JMP** Wed 26 Apr 2017, 9:38 am

One guard is not going to have a huge impact on the W-L record. Transforming the defense will. The offense is what it is at this point...the only major addition is Thomas, so whether we add a guard or not we pretty much know what we have on that side of the ball. But the defense desperately needs an influx of speed and talent. Plus, the offense will improve if the defense can get off the field, force turnovers and limit points so the O doesn't have to play from behind all the time. I say concentrate on D early, and get a guard in round 3 or 4. Yes, we've sucked at finding OL talent after round one - but that doesn't mean you stop trying.

I agree with Bird that we don't need a great D - but I also believe that we don't need a great OL. Hell, the offense showed a little bit of improvement last year even with crappy interior line play. But if we can improve the D and take some pressure off the offense, that will help tremendously IMO.

by Degarmo Wed 26 Apr 2017, 10:12 am

Birdmond wrote:There's going to some high quality veterans cut after June 1st. You don't need a great D. You just can't be horrible. I'm not worried about the D. I just want this OL bullshit over with.

I am all about this statement.

Even beefing up on defense, the game's rules are built for offense right now. If you can score in the 30s, you can win 11 games.

It's rare that great defense lifts a crappy offense, and without solving the offensive line, we're going to have a crappy offense.

Plus, we're not talking about a great offensive line, just one that's good enough, and we currently don't have that. Shit, we barely have an offensive line if you think about it. The defense getting off the field is great, but if the offense goes 3 and out and punts, even a great defense is gonna get tired and give up points.

by **JMP** Wed 26 Apr 2017, 10:20 am

Talent trumps all. Priority number one should be adding the most talented players we can. To me, there's NO WAY a guard will be the most talented player at 22...it will be a player on the defensive side of the ball. Stop overdrafting for need, and start drafting great players - that's really the bottom line. (Unfortunately, I'm not sure this staff knows what a "great player" looks like unless a top prospect falls in their laps ala Gasmask Tunsil, but that's a whole story in itself...)

by Degarmo Wed 26 Apr 2017, 10:40 am

I like Tunsil. He seems like a good kid in my opinion.

I agree, best player available, regardless. If he's better than what you got, get him. If he's equal to what you got, get him. It's like Sun Tzu's philosophy about battles, but in reverse: Equal or better, engage; worse, pass. Simple philosophy, but these guys fall in love with players thinking they're gonna be named "executive of the year", when in reality most of them don't know what the fuck they're doing at all.

by DolFan 316 Wed 26 Apr 2017, 5:58 pm

Degarmo wrote:I agree, best player available, regardless. If he's better than what you got, get him. If he's equal to what you got, get him.

That's my exact philosophy on team building in Madden franchises!!! cheers

How sad is it to realize WE could literally draft better every single year than this team who has people working on it YEAR ROUND for a living?

(Breaks down sobbing.)

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