Official Fire Grier Thread

[DolFan 316]

It's utterly inconceivable that after the 2022 season all three of his first round picks from 2020 could be off the team, but that's looking not only possible, but highly probable right now.

In addition to that, this class (which was already meager thanks to Grier outsmarting himself) looks like it'll yield absolutely nothing of any substance, and any of us would've done better drawing random player names out of a hat!

I know I know, coaching yada yada. But let's be real here, without Waddle and Hill (and a healthy Tua) this is a bottom 5 team. That's on Grier. There's nobody else to blame, for one thing.

[finfanatic]

I was sorta-kinda on the fence about Armstead signing. You pony up big bucks for an often injured player, and ... SURPRISE! SURPRISE! ( in the best Gomer Pyle imitation possible) He's injured.

And he doesn't practice during the week I think I heard the announcer say???

No wonder the Oline still has problems. They practice with one LT and then they bring in TA for the game. That has to help with the cohesion and unity on the Oline.

If you can't draft to save your life and your free agent picks suck canal water, the question must be asked, just why in HADES are you still the GM???

Anyway... I never thought the Phins were going to be stellar this season. They lack depth at some key position and the whole Boyer DC thing is just too big a millstone to overcome.

But if I was Ross... I would really have to look at finding someone...anyone...who could set up the draft, run the draft, and manage free agents better than Grier has done.

Who that would be??? I have no idea. And it's for dang sure Ross doesn't either.

[CarsonChris]

Where's Ross going to find another yes man?

I've been saying this for the last 3 years. The entire staff in the front office needs a makeover!

[white1]

I put my Grier thoughts in the "Doom and Gloom" thread.

Totally agree. Grier has had his shot, and several (at least 3) coaching choices. He has failed. It's time to go.

[white1]

Details from Barry Jackson to recap the offseason architecting of our.... "defense".

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article266455746.html

A couple salient points:

In the weeks between hiring coach Mike McDaniel and the start of free agency, Dolphins general manager Chris Grier and the organization made two pivotal defensive decisions, beyond retaining coordinator Josh Boyer:

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article266455746.html#storylink=cpy

They concluded this unit is far closer in quality to the group that allowed a league-best 15.5 points per game over the final nine games of the season – against mostly substandard quarterbacks - than the defense that allowed 29.1 points per game in the first eight games against teams led by Mac Jones, Josh Allen, Derek Carr, Carson Wentz, Tom Brady, Trevor Lawrence, Matt Ryan and Allen again.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article266455746.html#storylink=cpy

Toward that end, the Dolphins decided they were fine returning intact their defensive line, gave Emanuel Ogbah a four-year, $65 million deal; re-signed Elandon Roberts and Duke Riley in order to retain their top three inside linebackers (along with Jerome Baker); and kept intact their top six cornerbacks and safeties.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article266455746.html#storylink=cpy

[DolFan 316]

Here's another disturbing bit of info for the future: Ingram is 33 and I wouldn't be surprised if this was his final NFL season. Backup DT John Jenkins is also 33. Byron Jones and Eric Rowe are 30. Howard, Ogbah and backup LB Sam Eguavoen are 29. These guys will need replacing, and soon. I sure as hell don't trust Grier to do it.

Even when he makes trades Grier can't it right. Oh, he'll start off well enough, but he's like the guy at the casino who wins 50 grand and then instead of walking away, keeps right on gambling until he's in the hole.

[white1]

Yep, the defense was setup as a veteran unit in "win now" mode. That window is set to close rapidly. Except you know... without the performance even close to what was planned and hoped for.

[HalCHorn]

ok way too early but here's my first stab at being Grier, courtesy pro football network sim:

1 (26) Myles Murphy, EDGE: How the hell is he still here? I don't know but even though 3 teams are dangling 2024 first rounders in front of me and I love to accumulate picks I'm not passing on him.

2 (51) Emmanuel Forbes, CB: no good offers, best outside CB available, no brainer with our issues.

3 (75) Ricky Stromberg, OC: move Williams back to OG, strengthen two positions.

finally took a trade here, got a 3rd from Pitt to move back to 105 (should be a high 3rd in 2024, plus we didn't have a pick in that round next year until now)

3 (105) Kyu Blu Kelly, CB: we need two in my estimation. Kohou is a keeper, yes, but we have two veterans nearing the end of the line in Howard and Jones IMO.

4 (151) Brenton Cox Jr., EDGE: needs lots of help here too, as noted.

7 (215) Kemani Averett, TE: need another prospect here too with Gesicki unlikely to be retained.

[JMP]

Nice work, Hal!

I am not in the "Fire Grier" camp, not yet anyway.  He's the type of GM that gives the coach what he wants, and he and Flores worked together to build what is now the core of the team.  Sure, he's had some misses - as all GMs do.  But he drafted Tua, Waddle, Holland and Wilkins (among others) and brought us Hill, Seiler, Armstead and Williams in trades/free agency.  

The problems with this team are injuries, lack of quality depth (a problem most NFL teams have), and a defensive scheme that doesn't work (probably because of injuries and lack of depth).  I'd also add a special teams coach that, to be kind, isn't very good.  This team has plenty of talent, thanks to Grier, but has been unable to overcome those 4 issues so far.  Fortunately, there are 12 games left.  If we get healthy, we can get back on track. (But it won't happen against the Vikings...)

[finfanatic]

 But he drafted Tua, Waddle, Holland and Wilkins (among others)

JMP, I don't know if those are good points or not..

Holland and Wilkins, sure...

He drafted Tua....Instead of Herbert.

He drafted Waddle, but could have had Jamar Chase.

So, while Tua and Waddle are good... are they as good as Herbert and Chase would have been for the Aqua and Orange!

A big HECK NAW!!! IMO.

And then add in Jackson, and Iggy in the first.

At free agent, DJ Fluker, Matt Skura, Will Fuller, Malcolm Brown...

The list goes on and on.

It's sort of like giving Biden credit for inflation only going up .25 % in the last month and ignoring the 40 year high rate over his first two years!!!

A few good ones does not outweigh the overall bad IMO.

I mean, while the Phins may have more talent at a few positions, they are still hideously devoid of quality depth (or any depth) at key positions it seems to me.

[JMP]

 But he drafted Tua, Waddle, Holland and Wilkins (among others)

JMP, I don't know if those are good points or not..

Holland and Wilkins, sure...

He drafted Tua....Instead of Herbert.

He drafted Waddle, but could have had Jamar Chase.

So, while Tua and Waddle are good... are they as good as Herbert and Chase would have been for the Aqua and Orange!

A big HECK NAW!!! IMO.

And then add in Jackson, and Iggy in the first.

At free agent, DJ Fluker, Matt Skura, Will Fuller, Malcolm Brown...

The list goes on and on.

It's sort of like giving Biden credit for inflation only going up .25 % in the last month and ignoring the 40 year high rate over his first two years!!!

A few good ones does not outweigh the overall bad IMO.

I mean, while the Phins may have more talent at a few positions, they are still hideously devoid of quality depth (or any depth) at key positions it seems to me.

Every "good" GM misses on most of his draft picks and strikes out more than he homers - that's the nature of the beast. Take the Chiefs, arguably the best team in the league over the last several teams...their last 4 drafts are absolutely loaded with misses.

For the record, I'll take Waddle any day over Chase, and I'll take Tua any day over Herbert. I do think the Dolphins need to start looking for Tua's eventual replacement sooner than later because of the concussion, but I'd rather keep trying to find that elusive franchise QB than be stuck with an albatross like Herbert that puts up nice stats and never wins a damn thing.

[HalCHorn]

Grier has been far more adept at receiving value in trades than any GM we've had in quite a while.  Even when Parcells was overseeing Ireland I felt we were getting pennies on the dollar in a lot of the trades.  It isn't Grier's fault the NFL decided to screw us out of our well deserved extra picks from the 49ers trade.

Waddle over Chase doesn't look that bad with an offensive system in place to show what Waddle does well.  If this system had been in place last year Waddle might well have had 1,500 yards receiving year one.

Holland has had some good games and some bad games this year but he's certainly looked worth the pick so far.

The real misfires were Jackson and Iggy in 2020, and I'd be willing to bet that the latter was a Flores request.  

This team should have been strongly contending by 2021, and I'd daresay would have been with a competent offensive coordinator in place.  Last year's offense made the 1998-99 Jimmy Johnson system look like Bill Walsh's.  It was brutal all year.

This is not a strong endorsement, but I'm willing to see how this year plays out first. Grier has put some nice pieces on the field this year, we just need them available. If lack of availability sinks us (Armstead, Tua) well, that is on Grier.

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