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Post by JMP Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:24 pm


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Dolphins scheduled to conduct offensive coordinator interviews this week. Multiple interviews set. First time Brian Flores goes this route as he came to Miami with Chad O'Shea in '19 and last year simply replaced with Chan Gailey instead of big search with multiple interviews.
 
No word on who the Phins are interviewing.

One guy I've been looking into a bit is Chargers' QB coach Pep Hamilton.  He obviously did a great job with Herbert this season, and he coached Andrew Luck both in college and the NFL.  He does have coordinator and play-calling experience.  From what I'm reading, his playcalling is based on making big plays at any given moment, from anywhere on the field...everything he does is about chunk yardage and big plays.  He also like to run different plays out of the same formation - that helps to keep the defense guessing.  Definitely an intriguing name.  Hope he gets an interview.


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Post by white1 Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:57 pm

One guy I've been looking into a bit is Chargers' QB coach Pep Hamilton. He obviously did a great job with Herbert this season, and he coached Andrew Luck both in college and the NFL. He does have coordinator and play-calling experience.

This is the kind of candidate I'm hoping for, someone creative and up-and-coming. There seems to be a lot of talent out there right now especially with guys like Morhningweg and A Lynn.

We can only hope for an upgrade, keep changing until we find the right guy.
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Post by Killah Sith Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:51 pm

Pep Hamilton was mentioned on the Locked On Dolphins podcast and is an intriguing prospect. There's an in house guy too, I can't think of his name, that was heavily mentioned as well. We need to get the right guy this time.

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Post by JMP Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:33 pm

Killah Sith wrote:Pep Hamilton was mentioned on the  Locked On Dolphins podcast and is an intriguing prospect.  There's an in house guy too, I can't think of his name, that was heavily mentioned as well.  We need to get the right guy this time.

I think the two in-house guys would be TE coach George Godsey and RB coach Eric Studesville. Godsey worked closely with Tua when the QB coach was out with Covid, and he called plays in the second half of the Bills game. And Flores supposedly loves Eric Studesville and really respects his coaching style.

I like both coaches, but I really want to bring in some fresh blood and have someone design a modern offense around Tua.

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Post by DolFan 316 Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:11 pm

I can't help but wonder why Flores couldn't have just hired the same sort of OC we all want last offseason. And don't give me the virus as an excuse, not when a guy pushing 70 was perfectly willing to come and coach right in the middle of it. It would've saved him the trouble of having to hire one now, at the absolute very least.

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Post by JMP Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:56 pm

DolFan 316 wrote:I can't help but wonder why Flores couldn't have just hired the same sort of OC we all want last offseason. And don't give me the virus as an excuse, not when a guy pushing 70 was perfectly willing to come and coach right in the middle of it. It would've saved him the trouble of having to hire one now, at the absolute very least.

Flores and Gailey go way back, so that's part of it. But the way I see it, Flores intended to stick with Fitzpatrick all season - and who better to run a Fitzpatrick offense than Gailey? But ultimately, as the season went on, Flores saw that he had a strong team and was worried that Fitz would ruin it with his gunslinging turnovers...so he went with the safer option in Tua, who he knew would protect the football. Ironically, it is the lack of gunslinging from Tua that ended our season...and a big part of that is due to Gailey having no clue what to do with Tua.

So, that's my theory. Not based on facts, but just what I think happened. There are reports that Gailey supposedly never expected Tua to play this season, so there is some merit to it.

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Post by DolFan 316 Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:14 pm

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DolFan 316 wrote:So, that's my theory.  Not based on facts, but just what I think happened.  There are reports that Gailey supposedly never expected Tua to play this season, so there is some merit to it.

And that's another thing that's been bothering me. Surely Gailey knew before he got hired that this team had just drafted a first round QB fairly high. How could he NOT think that this QB would wind up playing at SOME point? For one thing, Fitz could've been injured at any time. I constantly hear all this yammering about how coaches work 16-20 hour days so they can be prepared for anything, and yet an OC isn't ready for the first round QB his team literally JUST DRAFTED to play a single down ALL SEASON???

If anything, that only solidifies why I knew the Gailey hire was bad to begin with! And the REALLY sad part is, you can't even chalk up that attitude to old school "first round QBs must always sit and learn for a year or two before they're ready" thinking, because that philosophy was actually a myth even in the last century!

Hiring a coach pushing 70 specifically because of his rapport with a QB pushing 40 is not any sort of plan that would've lasted longer than 2 seasons at the absolute most anyway.

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Post by Killah Sith Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:26 pm

Godsey is the guy I'm hearing mentioned.

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Post by Degarmo Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:27 pm

Bill Lazor had a good year in Chicago and he likes short passes; so much so that I nicknamed him "Bubbles".

We should get him.

Maybe that guy with the Bills too, Brian Daboll?

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Post by Degarmo Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:29 pm

The next post is the post I intended, why the board posted both is beyond me, but I am editing this to not have a sort of double post.


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Post by Degarmo Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:33 pm

JMP wrote:So, that's my theory.  Not based on facts, but just what I think happened.  There are reports that Gailey supposedly never expected Tua to play this season, so there is some merit to it.

Dolfan316 wrote:And that's another thing that's been bothering me. Surely Gailey knew before he got hired that this team had just drafted a first round QB fairly high. How could he NOT think that this QB would wind up playing at SOME point? For one thing, Fitz could've been injured at any time. I constantly hear all this yammering about how coaches work 16-20 hour days so they can be prepared for anything, and yet an OC isn't ready for the first round QB his team literally JUST DRAFTED to play a single down ALL SEASON???

If anything, that only solidifies why I knew the Gailey hire was bad to begin with! And the REALLY sad part is, you can't even chalk up that attitude to old school "first round QBs must always sit and learn for a year or two before they're ready" thinking, because that philosophy was actually a myth even in the last century!

Hiring a coach pushing 70 specifically because of his rapport with a QB pushing 40 is not any sort of plan that would've lasted longer than 2 seasons at the absolute most anyway.

I think he was hired specifically to coach Fitz, because Flores wanted to keep Tua on the bench for the season.  In hindsight, it would have probably been better to let Tua sit the year out.  I don't think Gailey was going to coach more than one year, and he was kind of a transition coach.  Now, we'll see if Flores had a plan for a guy he really wanted (or Grier possibly) that becomes available now.  The whole pandemic bullshit might have really thrown a monkey virus into that plan though.

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Post by HalCHorn Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:06 pm

It wasn't just the connection with Fitzpatrick that Gailey was hired for. At the time Gailey was hired, we had no idea which QB we'd be getting. Many thought that Tua would be gone by the 5th pick. And Herbert was considered a perfect fit for the type of spread offense that Gailey is known for.

There was also reason to believe that Tua would be sitting most of the year learning behind Fitz. Hell, that's what Mahomes did. Herbert was expected to sit for a while too, but got his chance early due to Taylor's injury. Only Burrow was expected to start right away.

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Post by DolFan 316 Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:28 pm

HalCHorn wrote:It wasn't just the connection with Fitzpatrick that Gailey was hired for.  At the time Gailey was hired, we had no idea which QB we'd be getting.  Many thought that Tua would be gone by the 5th pick.  And Herbert was considered a perfect fit for the type of spread offense that Gailey is known for.

There was also reason to believe that Tua would be sitting most of the year learning behind Fitz.  Hell, that's what Mahomes did.  Herbert was expected to sit for a while too, but got his chance early due to Taylor's injury.  Only Burrow was expected to start right away.

That still doesn't account for the always likely possibility that Fitz (or any starting QB) could be injured. And we know there wasn't any other backup plan. And if Herbert was a better fit for Gailey's offense then why didn't Grier draft him instead?

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Post by HalCHorn Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:16 pm

Going further with the information, at the time Gailey was hired, it was a complete unknown whether or not Tua would even be cleared to play in 2020 or ever. We all had Tua as the better prospect --if healthy-- and the spread offense was considered to be a good fit for either QB. At that time, Gailey's offense was considered a good bet for either young QB to learn in, and the returning veteran QB knew it well and had his best year in it.

I can understand the reasoning, even if the results were mixed.

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Post by JMP Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:18 pm

Gailey was always known as a coordinator that adapted to his players, and could run almost any system.

BUT...

After being out of football so long and apparently throwing out all his notes, he just simply did not have a plan for Tua. It seems unreal to think that actually happened, but that's what the signs point to.

And let's not forget - there was no preseason so Gailey didn't get to see or coach Tua then, and Tua ran the scout team for the first half of the season - again, meaning Gailey didn't really see him or work with him. So when Tua got the starting job, it's safe to assume that he was essentially an unknown to Gailey.

Ultimately, Flores flipped the script on Gailey midseason by naming Tua the starter. I think it was the right thing to do: we went 7-3 after the QB change, and Tua gained valuable experience and showed the world that the hip is a non-issue.

As Hal points out, I do think the Gailey hire made sense at the time - even though it ended up being a clusterfuck by the end, with Gailey not even calling plays in the second half of the final game.

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Post by CarsonChris Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:30 am

Bailey’s offense wasn’t the problem. It was Tua trying to run the Alabama offense without the superiority in talent that Alabama has over just about every team in college football. Is Mac Jones a great QB? The stats say he is but the stats are misleading. Those little 4 yard passes Alabama throws go for 10-12 yards almost every time. Tua kept trying that easy way out only to find our talent level was the same as the competitions. You need an edge in the NFLto be successful. Tua didn’t show a superior ability to throw the ball down field. His NFL game lacks superiority. He tried relying on what worked for him at Alabama only to find our players weren’t vastly superior to “their” players except for Cincinnati lol!

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Post by JMP Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:55 am

CarsonChris wrote:Bailey’s offense wasn’t the problem. It was Tua trying to run the Alabama offense without the superiority in talent that Alabama has over just about every team in college football. Is Mac Jones a great QB? The stats say he is but the stats are misleading.  Those little 4 yard passes Alabama throws go for 10-12 yards almost every time. Tua kept trying that easy way out only to find our talent level was the same as the competitions. You need an edge in the NFLto be successful. Tua didn’t show a superior ability to throw the ball down field. His NFL game lacks superiority. He tried relying on what worked for him at Alabama only to find our players weren’t vastly superior to “their” players except for Cincinnati lol!

Tua wasn't running the Alabama offense - he was running the Gailey-Fitzpatrick offense, and he was running it with no WRs or RBs. I can't think of two schemes that are more different. You're right - Salvon Ahmed, Mack Hollins and Isaiah Ford are not superior players. I don't know why anyone would think they were. Tua played the hand he was dealt - an offense designed for someone else, with a bottom-of-the-barrel supporting cast - and he put up better stats and a better record than many of the top QBs (both current and retired) did as rookies.

Tua is superior at accuracy, ball placement, reading defenses, going through progressions and manipulating defenders. He throws an excellent deep ball and can make any NFL throw, and he can also run. The experience he gained as a rookie will be invaluable moving forward. If anything, his time in the Gailey offense will help him long-term, because one of the things he needed to work on heading into the NFL was throwing short - in college he usually looked to throw intermediate and deep and often ignored easy, short passes trying for a big play. You are very much mistaken if you think he spent his time at Alabama throwing only 4-yard passes. Mac Jones may have done that, but Tua didn't.

With a full offseason where he can concentrate on football instead of rehabbing an injury, and in an offense suited for his skillset, Tua can still become a superstar. And I think he will.

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Post by CarsonChris Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:55 am

Except Tua didn’t throw a deep ball. Where did Parker’s play go after Tua started? Deep ball, longest completion was 35 yards. I watched Heinekee throw more deep balls for the Redskins in one playoff game then I saw Tua throw in 9 games.

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Post by CarsonChris Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:05 am

Tua’s longest completions each game: 31 14 15 29 35 13 23 35 15 7

Hebert’s 29 53 25 24 55 54 28 50 36 70 64 72 28 35

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Post by CarsonChris Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:13 am

I’m glad Tua is such a master of reading defenses and throwing deep. I’d hestitate to think what 17/22 for 94 yards would be if he wasn’t so brilliant.

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Post by mercury22nathan Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:49 am

i think the whole argument over whether Tua will be great, good or something else - or is better than Herbert or not - is a mute argument. i personally think (hope) he's going to eventually be very, very good, as in top 5 in the NFL, but no one knows for sure. i also think Herbert is going to come back down to earth next year, but again, nobody knows for sure. but the truth is, none of this matters... the current regime has tied their wagon to Tua and he is the Dolphins QB for the foreseeable future.

but since we are talking about, here's a few facts to consider...

Tagovailoa’s deep passing — a strength at Alabama — was better than his Dolphins stats suggest.

Among passes thrown at least 20 yards in the air, Tagovailoa had three drops — which is a higher percentage of drops than any other NFL QB with at least 29 attempts.

According to NFL data analyst Anthony Reinhard, Tagovailoa had 12 passes dropped (Pro Football Focus said it was 14) and those drops cost the Dolphins 25.3 points. That would compute to 21 drops and 45 points over 16 games.

What hurt Tagovailoa more than overall drops were drops of deep balls and his receivers’ inability to create separation (Miami was among the worst in the league in that regard) and create yards after catch (Miami was statistically the worst in that metric), plus a running game that generated the fewest yards after contact, on average.

One frustration with the Dolphins’ offense when Tagovailoa struggled was the fact he threw short of the first-down marker a number of times.

Per Football Outsiders, Tagovailoa had the eighth-highest difference between length of throw and distance needed for a new set of downs: 2.5, on average,a category that the website calls ALEX. But that was particularly hurtful to Tagovailoa because the Dolphins ranked 30th in yards after catch.

By comparison, Pat Mahomes was sixth in this category; his average ALEX was 2.7. But here’s the big difference: Chiefs playmakers were far better than Miami’s in taking those short throws for first downs. That’s exactly how Kansas City sealed multiple games this season, including with its late first-round conversion against Miami.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article248209500.html

so Tua was doing what Mahomes was doing, but well, Pat has Tyreek and Kelce...and Tua has who?

now, none of this guarantees that Tua will be great, but it should be considered in evaluating him.

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Post by JMP Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:57 am

CarsonChris wrote:I’m glad Tua is such a master of reading defenses and throwing deep. I’d hestitate to think what  17/22 for 94 yards would be if he wasn’t so brilliant.

You said Tua only threw 4-yard passes at Alabama. He didn't. He threw deep all the time and was one of the best deep passers in college.

In his rookie season, he didn't throw deep as much - partly because he had less time to throw than any any QB, partly because more of his deep passes were dropped than any QB, partly because of WRs that were at the bottom of the league in separation, partly because of playcalling.

And if you don't think Tua is great at reading defenses, you are very much mistaken.

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Post by CarsonChris Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:20 pm

If Fitzpatrick’s stats were anything like 17/22 94 people would call for his removal. If I’m not mistaken everyone on this forum said receiver was a strength on the team at the beginning of the year. Suddenly we don’t have anyone that can catch or play in the NFL.

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Post by CarsonChris Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:24 pm

17/22 94 should be Tua’s jersey number. Or 4.27. Yards per attempt.

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Post by Umix10 Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:36 pm

CarsonChris wrote:17/22 94 should be Tua’s jersey number. Or 4.27. Yards per attempt.

the 2020h draft is over bro. Tua's the QB until he ain't
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