Am I right? No LBs or WRs drafted this year?

JMP wrote:

I think Omar Kelly was talking about a trade up for Lloyd, too.

I would never in a million years make that trade.  This year's draft class sucks, and next year's will be excellent. It would be completely asinine to trade away high picks in 2023 for an overrated linebacker that probably wouldn't be a first rounder any other year.  Just say no!!![/quote]

Same here. Too good a draft next year. I want to see a couple more 2023 picks, preferably getting back into the fourth round next year at least, by the end of the draft. If we got Jurgens or Fortner and then traded the other picks away for 2023 picks, hell, I'd be happy with that even.

Exactly, Hal - we need more picks next year, not fewer. That 2023 draft could be key for building a perennial contender - we are in position to load up on cheap, young talent.

If you really want to know who Grier will draft, just look at which players *didn't* visit the Fins. All this visiting stuff is a tired cliched smokescreen every team does to trick every other team into assuming they'll draft those guys, and then come the draft every time a player is picked he's all, "I had no idea Team X would take me, we never had any contact this whole time." And yet teams continue with the charade year after year anyway.

HalCHorn wrote:I think Omar Kelly was talking about a trade up for Lloyd, too.

I would never in a million years make that trade.  This year's draft class sucks, and next year's will be excellent. It would be completely asinine to trade away high picks in 2023 for an overrated linebacker that probably wouldn't be a first rounder any other year.  Just say no!!!

If Omar says it's going to happen that guarantees that it WON'T happen, so I feel a lot better now

Yeah, there is just too much smokescreen....

I initially heard the Phins were looking at Ga. LB Quay Walker so heavily, they might have taken him in the 1st!!!

And then Troy Montgomery was the target, then Leo Chenal...now this Devin Lloyd talk.

Methinks there is something rotten in Denmark..er...Davie, I mean.

And this whole thing about how it looks like the Dolphins have set themselves put to draft a center at #102??? It would seem like EVERY TEAM would know that and would attempt to trade up above 102 for Jurgens. Or above 125 for Fortner? And maybe even Zach Tom?

It may be exactly what it looks like, but that just does not seem to be the way Grier operates. I mean the year they took Tua, I was almost to the point of believing they were going Herbert!

SO I stand by my contention that the picks are going to make us all go "What the heck?!!"

Who knows? This may be the year we have Grier's rating board correct!

Yeah, the Devin Lloyd rumor is definitely a ruse IMO. My friend USUALLY does not have rumors that Omar Kelly posts about!

I just want to Bite the Bullet this Year and just stay at 4 Picks , Not go into our Picks we have in 2023 to get more Players this Year just My Opinion. Also I Believe that ILB and Center and another Rb are the Most Important needs this Year.

HalCHorn wrote:If we got Jurgens or Fortner and then traded the other picks away for 2023 picks, hell, I'd be happy with that even.

The more I think about it, the more I would be too. I was already on board with trading down from #30 as it was. No LBs worth taking will be around at 102 let alone 125. Two 7ths aren't going to do anything. The best drafters can't really do much with 7th round picks and if Grier's making them neither one will ever play a down in the NFL probably. Just take center or the BPA, load up a little more for next year and call it a day.

DolFan 316 wrote:

HalCHorn wrote:If we got Jurgens or Fortner and then traded the other picks away for 2023 picks, hell, I'd be happy with that even.

The more I think about it, the more I would be too. I was already on board with trading down from #30 as it was. No LBs worth taking will be around at 102 let alone 125. Two 7ths aren't going to do anything. The best drafters can't really do much with 7th round picks and if Grier's making them neither one will ever play a down in the NFL probably. Just take center or the BPA, load up a little more for next year and call it a day.

I will amend that to say... Take Jurgens, then Fortner (But I readily admit whichever one the Phins want is okay with me) and then keep 125 to see if Tyquan Thornton is available. I do not expect him to be, but...

I think a big SPEED WR would be the icing on the McDaniels Offense for the Phins with Waddle and Hill and Wilson and Gesicki and Edmonds and.... I was hoping for Jalen Tolbert, Romeo Doubs (this was before Doubs posted a 4.72 time!!!), George Pickens etc... but... the principle remains the same I think.

I suspect Thornton will be gone by #125 based solely on his blazing 40 time, but I would hold off trading the rest of the picks until I see he is not on the board at #125.

I think I have psyched myself into thinking Grier is NOT GOING to take Jurgens, Fortner or Zach Tom with the 102 pick?

And he may not.... He might trade down out of the 3rd for another 4th this year and 5th next year or a 5th this year and a 4th next year... Who Knows?

I wonder if FF will have the stones, the cojones, the big brass balls to show his face (figuratively speaking anyway) around here after he was...


Wait for it...


(Drum roll...And yes, I used to be a percussionist so I'm doing it myself...)


WRONG.

Yep, definitely wrong on the LB and WR not getting drafted.

And twice wrong on LB it seems.

I still am a bit perplexed by two LBs with only four picks.

finfanatic wrote:Yep, definitely wrong on the LB and WR not getting drafted.

And twice wrong on LB it seems.

I still am a bit perplexed by two LBs with only four picks.

I REALLY wish you'd been wrong about WR

I mean, passing up Zach Tom when he somehow fell RIGHT INTO THEIR LAP is one thing, but then to compound that massive mistake by taking a WR not named Romeo Doubs?!?! Pure insanity!!!

Also, what kind of thought process actually considers some random schmuck whose name I literally never even saw on ANY rankings list or prospect video to be a better pick than Jeffery Gunter???

Well...

I think they drafted Goode as a pass rusher....

Watch this video...

Cameron Goode - SI

A second-team all-conference selection by the Associated Press, Goode led Cal with 9.0 tackles for loss (-63 yards), 7.5 sacks (-59 yards) and a career-high five quarterback hurries in 2021. He recorded 46 tackles, a career-high four pass breakups and one fumble recovery.

Goode, a five-year player, recorded 172 tackles and 20.5 sacks over his college career.

Here is something called Relative Athletic Score....  I assume it is a way to use an athlete's stats for projection?

RAS




Here is Gunter's RAS...




If I am reading this right... It means Goode is a better OLB/PassRusher than Gunter is a DE. Especially in a 3-4 where the OLB may be asked to perform like a LB.

So THAT may be what is up here. Goode was drafted as a pass rusher/LB, not as a LB.

Tindall is the MLB.

Now, why Grier decided to forego drafting any O-lineman....?   I can only assume the new Coaching Staff thinks with the free agents they signed and the players the Phins currently have, they have the making for a good O-line?



We shall see...

Absolutely right, FF. Goode will be a pass rush specialist. Tindall will be a starter in the middle...likely a 2-down player to start.

As for OL, we added a couple UDFAs that could make the team. I think Kellen Diesch is likely better than Tom.

JMP wrote:Absolutely right, FF. Goode will be a pass rush specialist.  Tindall will be a starter in the middle...likely a 2-down player to start.

As for OL, we added a couple UDFAs that could make the team. I think Kellen Diesch is likely better than Tom.

No. Just...no.

I think people around here have forgotten just how accurate my Bust O' Meter has been for almost 25 years now. If you want a refresher, just check out my reaction to the Iggy pick. I'm sure that draft thread is still around.

Grier said they were targeting a running back and “Mike fell out of his chair when he got picked by somebody.” McDaniel deadpanned: “I was composed.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article260939417.html

i wonder who that RB was? my guess is either Zamir White or Isaiah Spiller, both of whom went just before the Phins picked in the 4th.

mercury22nathan wrote:

Grier said they were targeting a running back and “Mike fell out of his chair when he got picked by somebody.” McDaniel deadpanned: “I was composed.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article260939417.html

i wonder who that RB was?  my guess is either Zamir White or Isaiah Spiller, both of whom went just before the Phins picked in the 4th.

I think it had to be Zamir White, because of his speed. Spiller had a great college career, but he is on the slow side and McDaniel loves fast RBs.

I'm excited to see what UDFA Zaquandre White can do - I think he's an ideal fit for this offense.

JMP wrote:I think it had to be Zamir White, because of his speed.  Spiller had a great college career, but he is on the slow side and McDaniel loves fast RBs.

I'm excited to see what UDFA  Zaquandre White can do - I think he's an ideal fit for this offense.

so when they missed out on drafting a RB Z. White, the decided to sign an UDFA RB Z. White. i guess that's one way to run a draft.

but really, when they missed out on the RB McDaniel wanted, they...

“With us, you always go down the board, we always talk about taking the best players available,” Dolphins general manager Chris Grier said after the draft. “So, we got to that pick and he was a player we had talked about. We visited with him. Wes worked him out, went there and he was on Mike from Day 1 about getting a Red Raider in here. So, we dealt with Wes all spring talking him up. We had a good workout with him, did a private workout with him as well and did a nice job for us."

“So, we got to know him and he was the kind of player that fit our profile for what we were looking for. Good kid, tough. Catches the ball well. He blocks. Run after catch. When he was there and we looked at the board, we said we had to take him.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article260896092.html

don't tell me they only selected Ezukanma because Welker wanted someone from his old school Texas Tech? and if McDaniel is picking the RB and Welker is selecting the WR, just what is Grier and his scouting staff doing again? Grier's words, not mine.

mercury22nathan wrote:

“With us, you always go down the board, we always talk about taking the best players available,” Dolphins general manager Chris Grier said after the draft. “So, we got to that pick and he was a player we had talked about. We visited with him. Wes worked him out, went there and he was on Mike from Day 1 about getting a Red Raider in here. So, we dealt with Wes all spring talking him up. We had a good workout with him, did a private workout with him as well and did a nice job for us."

“So, we got to know him and he was the kind of player that fit our profile for what we were looking for. Good kid, tough. Catches the ball well. He blocks. Run after catch. When he was there and we looked at the board, we said we had to take him.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article260896092.html

don't tell me they only selected Ezukanma because Welker wanted someone from his old school Texas Tech?  and if McDaniel is picking the RB and Welker is selecting the WR, just what is Grier and his scouting staff doing again?  Grier's words, not mine.  

I don't have a problem with that - seems like they followed a pretty standard draft protocol: they worked him out privately, did their homework and drafted him. Position coaches always bang the table for players...not uncommon at all. Bottom line, this kid fits exactly what the Dolphins want to do on offense and he was clearly on their 'want list'.

My guess is they had three RBs targeted - James Cook, who went early and to the Bills...UUUGGGHH!... Tyrion Davis-Price who went early to the 49ers no less...and either Spiller or Zamir White. All three of them got snatched by #125.

I liked Spiller. He is tough as nails but not as speedy as Zamir White's 4.4 40 time. Spiller runs 4.6, so... McDaniel was wanting Zamir White is my guess...

I wonder who the Phins would have taken if all 3 RBs had been available?

I think I would have rated them Davis-Price, Cook, and then White.

finfanatic wrote:My guess is they had three RBs targeted - James Cook, who went early and to the Bills...UUUGGGHH!... Tyrion Davis-Price who went early to the 49ers no less...and either Spiller or Zamir White. All three of them got snatched by #125.

I liked Spiller. He is tough as nails but not as speedy as Zamir White's 4.4 40 time. Spiller runs 4.6, so... McDaniel was wanting Zamir White is my guess...

I wonder who the Phins would have taken if all 3 RBs had been available?

I think I would have rated them Davis-Price, Cook, and then White.

I do like all 3 backs, but my order would be Cook, White, Davis-Price. I HATE that the Bills drafted Cook!

JMP wrote:I don't have a problem with that - seems like they followed a pretty standard draft protocol: they worked him out privately, did their homework and drafted him.  Position coaches always bang the table for players...not uncommon at all.  Bottom line, this kid fits exactly what the Dolphins want to do on offense and he was clearly on their 'want list'.

If only the O-line coach had banged the table harder instead of lightly tapping it (sighs).

No, I can't let it go.

finfanatic wrote:I liked Spiller. He is tough as nails but not as speedy as Zamir White's 4.4 40 time.

I wish the Bills had drafted Spiller. He's a bust. If a player gets completely shut down by the closest thing to a pro D he'll see in college (Alabama in Spiller's case) then I'm taking him off my board if I'm a GM. And Spiller flopped VS Bama twice.

DolFan 316 wrote:

JMP wrote:I don't have a problem with that - seems like they followed a pretty standard draft protocol: they worked him out privately, did their homework and drafted him.  Position coaches always bang the table for players...not uncommon at all.  Bottom line, this kid fits exactly what the Dolphins want to do on offense and he was clearly on their 'want list'.

If only the O-line coach had banged the table harder instead of lightly tapping it (sighs).

No, I can't let it go.

Well, like I said in the other thread: it's essentially a #4 receiver vs. a backup center.  The #4 receiver will play a lot in this offense, and (barring injury) the backup center won't.  At the end of the day, these are wart-covered 4th round picks...but at least we got a guy that will potentially play a significant role from day 1.  

I like Zach Tom and would have been happy to draft him; in fact, I brought his name up several times in the draft thread.  But passing on him really isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things.  It will be interesting to see how he fares in competition against the Packers' current Center, Josh Myers (former 2nd round pick coming off an injury-plagued rookie season).

How do you know Tom wouldn't have been able to win a starting job? You've already got Diesch being a huge steal who could wind up starting somewhere, and he wasn't nearly as highly regarded going into the draft as Tom (as evidenced by him being undrafted). How do either of us know Ezukanma will even be that good, or that Tanner Conner--who is bigger and faster--won't be better?

You're making a *lot* of assumptions that seem to be based entirely on whether or not certain players are on this team or not, as well as assuming the new coaches can somehow take any bum off the street and make him a solid starter at the very least, which is beyond ANY coach's ability.